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US Constitution based on Christian Laws

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In another thread Whirlwind wrote the following:

We are founded on Judaic/Christian values....not Islam.
This of course took the original thread off course and as such, I am starting a new topic here to investigate this claim.

The Constitution of the United States

Whirlwind, as you made the claim, I shall allow you to provide examples. If you do not provide examples sometime today (Assuming you are on later today), I will delve into this in the near future myself as I LOVE learning new things.
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Liberal Lie # 1: America is a greedy imperialist nation.

Why are liberals so critical and harsh on the westward expansion of the settlers, why do the libs criticize manifest destiny as an effort to steal land from the mexicans? is it that they really believe that America is the enemy? Why is the negative view of manifest destiny put into textbooks by the company holt? Are we not supposed to praise this country? And when the conservatives try to reform the textbooks and take out these treacherous liberal lies, we have people like you come out and condemn it.
There is a negative view of manifest destiny because of all the horrible things that were done in its name. Whitewashing over the negative aspects of your countries past does not make them go away. Would you advocate Germany rewriting its history books by eliminating any mention of the holocaust or WW2? How about Japans actions during WW2, they actually did try to rewrite their history books in order to lessen their actions during the war.
Liberal Lie # 2: The New Deal Worked.

Why do these school textbooks by Prentice Hall and Holt praise FDR and the New Deal? The New Deal failed, the New Deal put the nation into a massive debt, yet these radical textbook authors say it pulled us out of the depression. You know what pulled us out of the Great Depression, WORLD WAR II, NOT THE NEW DEAL. It was the war time economy that saved this nation. And we know what the democrat stance on war is, "AMERICA SHOULDN'T POLICE THE NATION" "AMERICA IS NOT THE POLICEMAN OF THE WORLD."
Much of americas infrastructure that we still use was created during the new deal. You think Obama has it bad FDR came into office at the height of the great depression and just when there was light shining at the end of the tunnel he has to deal with the largest war in human history. If you aren't going to engage in deficit spending during a major economic downturn which is followed by a major war when would you ever do so? I find it very easy to justify his actions during his terms. BTW it was a different Roosevelt that made the comment on america being the policeman to the world.
Liberal Lie # 3: The Defamation Of Joseph McCarthy

Why do english textbooks, when teaching the Crucible, portray McCarthy as a paranoid lunatic? McCarthy prevented a communist take oveer of this country, is that why Liberals hate him? Is it true McCarthy accused people will not evidence? The Most famous line of attack is when McCarthy targeted the State Department Officials as Communist. Was it really just McCarthy who did that, it was his entire committee and the majority of the senate who confirmed his suspecions. McCarthy is a patriot and the liberal lies about him are due to his hatred of communism.
When HUAC started out McCarthy very well may have had good intentions and he in fact did find a number of communist agents. But as the hearings went on he started to see communist agents everywhere. America is a democracy and the HUAC hearings relatively quickly devolved into a witch hunt with show trials for the televisions cameras both of which go against the american way and the notion of being innocent until proven guilty.
Liberal Lie # 4: Gorbechev ended the Cold War

NO! It was THATCHER, REAGAN AND POPE JOHN PAUL WHO ENDED IT. BUT SINCE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND CONSERVATIVES, THE LIBERALS MUST DISCREDIT THEM.
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The people you mention would have happily continued the cold war if needed but it was Gorbachev that finally figured out that his nation could no longer sustain the spending levels and instead decided to end it. Sure Reagan helped a lot in his decision with his massive military buildup but in no way did Reagan give any indication that he was going to end the cold war. Effectively the cold war was a huge game of uncle that took four decades to play out.

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whirlwind wrote:Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ. All religion is covered in America.
How very Christian of you to pass judgment on other religion and make assumptions about them. That is quite an assumption, to assume that their religion is not also a way of life to them...

I guess that is why they call it "blind" faith.

As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?" I explained what Christianity is.

It is called "blind faith" because there is belief and faith even when all the answers aren't known. We know He is with us even before seeing. That then allows the blindness to be taken away for we then....see!


1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.



We know Him, we know He is truth and yet we don't know all answers for "we see through a glass darkly." His Spirit changes us for He dwells in us....we are changed into His image by His Spirit.

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Wyvern wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Therein is the dispute and reason for debate. You prefer the "theory" and I prefer His Word.
If you prefer his word why did you change what you call it from creationism to intelligent design? Once you can show that your hypothesis of intelligent design is science we will then be glad to call it a theory and put it in the science texts but until that time it is nothing more than creationism with a mask.
I have no problem with the term creationism or intelligent design. There is no need for you to term it a "theory" as it is truth. Evolution is the theory and properly titled as such.
I don't think you are aware of the scientific usage of the term theory. Evolution is indeed a theory in the scientific sense due to it being the best explanation for how life changes over time. Creationism on the other hand is not a theory or even a hypothesis it is religious dogma which you claim without bothering to prove to be the truth. If you think creationism is true prove it, if you can do it I guarantee you will get a Nobel prize.


The Nobel prize doesn't interest children of God. There is a far greater one available for all. As for "prove it."

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!

That this world...including us...were created, is proven in His Word and by observation to believers. However, it is understood that this proof will not be considered as such, nor ever will be to some...at least until this age ends.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

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Wyvern wrote:
Liberal Lie # 3: The Defamation Of Joseph McCarthy

Why do english textbooks, when teaching the Crucible, portray McCarthy as a paranoid lunatic? McCarthy prevented a communist take oveer of this country, is that why Liberals hate him? Is it true McCarthy accused people will not evidence? The Most famous line of attack is when McCarthy targeted the State Department Officials as Communist. Was it really just McCarthy who did that, it was his entire committee and the majority of the senate who confirmed his suspecions. McCarthy is a patriot and the liberal lies about him are due to his hatred of communism.
When HUAC started out McCarthy very well may have had good intentions and he in fact did find a number of communist agents. But as the hearings went on he started to see communist agents everywhere. America is a democracy and the HUAC hearings relatively quickly devolved into a witch hunt with show trials for the televisions cameras both of which go against the american way and the notion of being innocent until proven guilty.
I think Winepusher's point is: if you already "know" someone is guilty, then "due process of law" is unnecessary.
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perfessor wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Liberal Lie # 3: The Defamation Of Joseph McCarthy

Why do english textbooks, when teaching the Crucible, portray McCarthy as a paranoid lunatic? McCarthy prevented a communist take oveer of this country, is that why Liberals hate him? Is it true McCarthy accused people will not evidence? The Most famous line of attack is when McCarthy targeted the State Department Officials as Communist. Was it really just McCarthy who did that, it was his entire committee and the majority of the senate who confirmed his suspecions. McCarthy is a patriot and the liberal lies about him are due to his hatred of communism.
When HUAC started out McCarthy very well may have had good intentions and he in fact did find a number of communist agents. But as the hearings went on he started to see communist agents everywhere. America is a democracy and the HUAC hearings relatively quickly devolved into a witch hunt with show trials for the televisions cameras both of which go against the american way and the notion of being innocent until proven guilty.
I think Winepusher's point is: if you already "know" someone is guilty, then "due process of law" is unnecessary.
And I wonder how many innocent people got strung up by lynch mobs.

I find the list of 'liberal lies' from winepusher to be quite amusing. Each and every one of them is a large distortion of the truth. ... in other words, they are lies. Each and every one of them have huge inaccuracies.

Do you know how many communists were discovered in the McCarthy hearings?? Zero.
Do you know how many lives were ruined ?? How many people suffered from blacklisting from false accusations?? Very many.
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whirlwind wrote:As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?" I explained what Christianity is.
Uhhh, yes you did very clearly state that Christianity wasn't a religion, it is "a way of life" and different from a "religion". (In your own words). So, you very clearly made the distinction that religions are not a way of life (as you consider Christianity to be).

Again, that is very Christian of you.

And please save the scripture passages for someone who HASN'T already read the bible in its entirety (and found it disturbingly filled with misogyny, hatred, genocide, racism, slavery, human sacrifice... all sanctioned (and in some cases commanded) by the god of the bible).

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chris_brown207 wrote:
whirlwind wrote:As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?" I explained what Christianity is.
Uhhh, yes you did very clearly state that Christianity wasn't a religion, it is "a way of life" and different from a "religion". (In your own words). So, you very clearly made the distinction that religions are not a way of life (as you consider Christianity to be).

Again, that is very Christian of you.

I stand by that. Christianity is a way of life and different from a religion. And, I am very Christian. :D

And please save the scripture passages for someone who HASN'T already read the bible in its entirety (and found it disturbingly filled with misogyny, hatred, genocide, racism, slavery, human sacrifice... all sanctioned (and in some cases commanded) by the god of the bible).
Try reading it with His Spirit guiding your understanding. Reading the Bible in it's entirety is something anyone capable of reading can accomplish.

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I am starting to see the lack of point in arguing with someone within the space of a few entries has blatantly contradicted himself, and somehow finds that okay.

Case in point:
whirlwind wrote:Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ.
whirlwind wrote:As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?"
And then your final entry:
whirlwind wrote:I stand by that. Christianity is a way of life and different from a religion.
Not to mention that you don't even know what the definition of a religion is, and somehow you believe that Christianity has some special distinction over other people's religions and way's of life...

You cannot debate logic with someone who lacks it.

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chris_brown207 wrote:I am starting to see the lack of point in arguing with someone within the space of a few entries has blatantly contradicted himself, and somehow finds that okay.

Case in point:
whirlwind wrote:Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ.
whirlwind wrote:As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?"
And then your final entry:
whirlwind wrote:I stand by that. Christianity is a way of life and different from a religion.
Not to mention that you don't even know what the definition of a religion is, and somehow you believe that Christianity has some special distinction over other people's religions and way's of life...

You cannot debate logic with someone who lacks it.

Christianty is special Chris. As you seem to request verification of that, I offer....

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

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whirlwind wrote:
chris_brown207 wrote:I am starting to see the lack of point in arguing with someone within the space of a few entries has blatantly contradicted himself, and somehow finds that okay.

Case in point:
whirlwind wrote:Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ.
whirlwind wrote:As I was passing assumptions and judgments....did you see me say that they didn't consider what they do as a "way of life?"
And then your final entry:
whirlwind wrote:I stand by that. Christianity is a way of life and different from a religion.
Not to mention that you don't even know what the definition of a religion is, and somehow you believe that Christianity has some special distinction over other people's religions and way's of life...

You cannot debate logic with someone who lacks it.

Christianty is special Chris. As you seem to request verification of that, I offer....

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
Riiiiight... Good day to you, sir.

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