"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #279]

Studies estimate about 1.4 billion trees end up in landfills every year, due to product packaging and other paper waste.2
But the bottom line is that answering the question, how many trees are cut down each year for paper is hard to calculate. Estimates suggest anywhere from 4 billion trees to 8 billion trees used for paper every year.

Eco Alarmists are stirring up fears about tree harvesting that are illogical. The harvesting and reforestation of the world's trees are generally under safe and sustainable management.

To repeat my earlier question:

With more and more land being taken up by agriculture, where are we supposed to do our reforesting?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #278]

Are you saying water could be bad for you because of the danger of drowning in some similar manner CO2 could be bad for you if more CO2 is in the atmosphere than is needed by earth's plant life for survival?

Humans can drown in water even though fish can use it for survival.

Does that help clarify things?

Marke: I fail to see any persuasiveness in the argument that since humans can drown in water that is healthy for the environment that means humans can also be killed by CO2 that is healthy for the environment.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #278]

Are you claiming that industrialization and human progress are destroying plant life by emitting too much CO2 into the atmosphere?

I'm pointing out that reducing human-produced CO2 isn't going to endanger plants.

Marke: Attempts to reduce atmospheric CO2 content are unnecessary and, unfortunately, the commonly proposed methods for reducing the CO2 atmospheric content involve depriving poor people of fuel, low prices, and high taxes, among other negative side effects.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #279]

Studies estimate about 1.4 billion trees end up in landfills every year, due to product packaging and other paper waste.2
But the bottom line is that answering the question, how many trees are cut down each year for paper is hard to calculate. Estimates suggest anywhere from 4 billion trees to 8 billion trees used for paper every year.

Eco Alarmists are stirring up fears about tree harvesting that are illogical. The harvesting and reforestation of the world's trees are generally under safe and sustainable management.

To repeat my earlier question:

With more and more land being taken up by agriculture, where are we supposed to do our reforesting?

Marke: Secular alarmists fear the 'threat' of overpopulation and the 'threat' of over development. Those imagined fears are unwarranted. In 6,000 years of human history only a fraction of earth's land mass has been developed by humans, leaving massive amounts available for future development. Tell the ecophobes not to worry.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2021/10 ... velopment/

Climate Action
This is how much of the Earth's surface humans have modified
Oct 19, 2021

Solar panels are seen on the construction site of a large-scale photovoltaic system of Swiss energy provider Axpo at some 2500 metres above sea level on the dam of Lake Muttsee, Switzerland August 19, 2021. Picture taken with a drone, August 19, 2021

Human impact on the Earth’s surface can take a number of different forms.

What's the World Economic Forum doing to accelerate action on Climate Action?

14.6% of the world's land area has been modified by humans, according to research.
This is equivalent to 18.5 million km², an area greater than Russia.
Human impact on the Earth’s surface can take a number of different forms, including cities and towns, to natural systems modification.
Egypt, Rotterdam and West Virginia show how different levels and types of modification have affected the land area.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #282]

I fail to see any persuasiveness in the argument that since humans can drown in water that is healthy for the environment that means humans can also be killed by CO2 that is healthy for the environment.

It goes back to CO2 being a greenhouse gas which traps heat in the atmosphere, raising the temperature.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #283]

Attempts to reduce atmospheric CO2 content are unnecessary and, unfortunately, the commonly proposed methods for reducing the CO2 atmospheric content involve depriving poor people of fuel, low prices, and high taxes, among other negative side effects.

We can't rationalize the problem away by declaring that lowering emissions is "unnecessary" just because our preferred way of life is contributing to the problem.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #284]

Secular alarmists fear the 'threat' of overpopulation and the 'threat' of over development. Those imagined fears are unwarranted. In 6,000 years of human history only a fraction of earth's land mass has been developed by humans, leaving massive amounts available for future development. Tell the ecophobes not to worry.

Recent research underscores the urgency of this issue, with studies indicating that urban areas are projected to face increasingly severe heat waves due to the urban heat island effect, exacerbating heat-related health risks for vulnerable populations. Furthermore, the concentration of infrastructure and populations in urban centers heightens the susceptibility of cities to climate-related disasters such as flooding and storm surges.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11474320/

Adopting a "traveling esophagus" mentality toward the surface of the planet will only make things worse.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #282]

I fail to see any persuasiveness in the argument that since humans can drown in water that is healthy for the environment that means humans can also be killed by CO2 that is healthy for the environment.

It goes back to CO2 being a greenhouse gas which traps heat in the atmosphere, raising the temperature.

Marke: That is what GW devotees believe but not what is currently being evidenced in real life.


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/se ... r-10-years 7-22-10

Sen. Kerry Predicts ‘Ice-Free Arctic' In '5 or 10 Years’

PENNY STARR | JULY 22, 2010 | 7:36PM EDT

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) told supporters of his climate change legislation on Thursday that if the bill does not pass catastrophic events will unfold around the world, including an ice free Arctic sea in 5 to 10 years. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)
(CNSNews.com) – Speaking at a town hall-style meeting promoting climate change legislation on Thursday, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) predicted there will be “an ice-free Arctic” in "five or 10 years."

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #283]

Attempts to reduce atmospheric CO2 content are unnecessary and, unfortunately, the commonly proposed methods for reducing the CO2 atmospheric content involve depriving poor people of fuel, low prices, and high taxes, among other negative side effects.

We can't rationalize the problem away by declaring that lowering emissions is "unnecessary" just because our preferred way of life is contributing to the problem.

Marke: I am not convinced there is a problem that necessitates huge monetary investments in proposed solutions including heavy taxes and regulations on Americans that will hit the poor the hardest.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #284]

Secular alarmists fear the 'threat' of overpopulation and the 'threat' of over development. Those imagined fears are unwarranted. In 6,000 years of human history only a fraction of earth's land mass has been developed by humans, leaving massive amounts available for future development. Tell the ecophobes not to worry.

Recent research underscores the urgency of this issue, with studies indicating that urban areas are projected to face increasingly severe heat waves due to the urban heat island effect, exacerbating heat-related health risks for vulnerable populations. Furthermore, the concentration of infrastructure and populations in urban centers heightens the susceptibility of cities to climate-related disasters such as flooding and storm surges.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11474320/

Adopting a "traveling esophagus" mentality toward the surface of the planet will only make things worse.

Marke: GW alarmists have their own opinions, goals, desires, and beliefs but they do not make their case for fundamentally transforming American energy dependence in ways that will heap huge tax and regulatory burdens on Americans, hitting the poorest Americans the hardest.