OH MY GOD TRUMP IS POTUS

[WinePusher]

Sorry, but I am floored. I am FLOORED. Ok, as of now Trump still needs 26 electoral votes and Clinton needs 55. But he's probably gonna win Pennsylvania and Michigan so yea, he's basically PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

No joke, I am scared. What is going to happen to this country? I don't support Trump and I don't oppose Trump. I actually like Trump to a certain extent. But I recognize that he's an arrogant, narcissistic, somewhat psychotic egomaniac.

Yea, I like this result cause I can now laugh in the face of the Hillary shills, but I am scared for this country. Will this election mark the end of America? Or, 4 years from now will this country be more prosperous then ever?

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to post 17 by Zzyzx]

Perhaps Trump and Putin being in accord will diffuse a crisis there?

Interestingly, I saw this morning a tape on the Bloomberg Report of Vladimir Putin offering an olive branch to Trump. His cool demeanor masked any ebullience over the results of our election but it reminded me of the release of hostages in Iran after Reagan won the 1980 election. What does that mean -- is there hope here or is it SOP political courtesy?

[Elijah John]

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The outcome of the present elections seems unlikely to have any major effect, positive or negative, on me personally. Effects on the nation, positive or negative, are beyond my control or influence. Voters nationwide make their choices and decide who shall be in leadership positions of government. There is no reason for me to become emotional.

Perhaps Trump and Putin being in accord will diffuse a crisis there?

That is a very healthy attitude, one I had hoped to have had the situation been reversed.

The Russians are pleased, and in this case I think that may be a good thing. The Russians can be reasoned with, ISIS cannot be.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 22 by Elijah John]

Putin is a highly intelligent sociopath and former kgb agent. Him being pleased might not be a good thing. The economic pressures that have been slowly constricting the Russian economy hopefully will stay in place. As Russia seems to not care about ISIS and only cares about propping up Assad. It was weak leadership of Obama for even letting Russia in there in the first place I would hope we don't double down on letting Russia play in Syria.

[McCulloch]

[Replying to post 1 by WinePusher]

Fear comes from the lack of knowledge. Donald Trump has had a very successful life in many areas so he will carry that success record to the White House. Those who have fear never did any research of their own about Donald Trump. They trusted the media that supported Hillary Clinton.

What areas has Donald Trump been very successful with?
Not financial. He has taken his father's money, invested it in various schemes, more than a few that went bankrupt, with the end result that he would have been better off letting just about anyone else invest his money.
Not academic. Trump University anyone?
Entertainment?
Personal? How many times married?
So really, in what areas specifically, has Donald Trump been very successful?

[bluethread]

People like to look at the popular vote and the electoral college, but, if one looks at the precinct map, it is clear that this was a choice between the dependent urban centers and the producers. I am not a fan of Trump personally. However, he tapped into the frustration of rural America and the working class. That is why we have an electoral college. After years of debate, the founders concluded that unless the states are empowered, the central government, like London and Versailles, would dictate policy to the rest of the country at the behest of the urban centers. That said, whether Trump will reward the producers by decentralizing governance and return power to congress and the states, is yet to be seen.

[WinePusher]

[Replying to WinePusher]

For sure there are some positives to be had here, but we had a lot of what we needed with the senate and house victories. Save for the Supreme Court. Clinton would have been forced to work with a firmly entrenched republican congress and She would have had no populous mandate.

Precisely. I agree and I've been saying the exact same thing. This is exactly why I would've been ok with a Clinton presidency.

My concerns are will he run the country like his businesses?
Will he handle foreign affairs the same way he feuded with everyone who disagreed with him?
How will he handle Syria?
The national debt is also an issue that worries me.

I don't think he going to blow us up, but I would have been ok with 4 years of stagnation vs the high risk unknown reward candidate and wait for a stronger republican leader who isn't a moron.

Donald Trump has defied everybody's, and I mean EVERYBODY'S, expectations. What does everybody expect now? Well, imo every expects him to be a bat sh*t crazy president. Maybe by some miracle he'll turn out to be one of the greatest presidents ever. I mean it was a miracle that he actually won....

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 26 by WinePusher]

Well we have him as president now, I figure if he goes off the rails they'll just impeach him stick pence in and move on with things.

[Monta]

[Replying to DanieltheDragon]

@Putin is a highly intelligent sociopath and former kgb agent. Him being pleased might not be a good thing. The economic pressures that have been slowly constricting the Russian economy hopefully will stay in place. As Russia seems to not care about ISIS and only cares about propping up Assad. It was weak leadership of Obama for even letting Russia in there in the first place I would hope we don't double down on letting Russia play in Syria.@

I am surprised Putin is not blamed for Trump' winning the election.

I suppose the majority of US citizens do have head on their shouldrers.

[Divine Insight]

Donald Trump has defied everybody's, and I mean EVERYBODY'S, expectations. What does everybody expect now? Well, imo every expects him to be a bat sh*t crazy president. Maybe by some miracle he'll turn out to be one of the greatest presidents ever. I mean it was a miracle that he actually won....

I'm pretty confident that the USA currently has a very serious problem. Donald Trump is most likely mentally ill in some serious ways. This is not intended as an ad hominem against him. People aren't responsible for mental illnesses. And Trump is no exception to this. It's ultimately not his fault that his brain has become wired the way that it is.

Trump may very well have delusions of grandeur. He may have a sincere interest in being the best possibly president for the USA. Unfortunately he doesn't appear to have a grasp of reality. He also very likely has a mental perspective on life that is formed in a major way by extreme prejudices that he himself is in major denial of even having. He's not in conscious denial, he's in totally unconscious denial. He actually believes his own claims that he's the least prejudiced person in the world because he's totally blind to his own prejudices.

The major problem is the empty promises he's been making to blue collar workers across America and especially in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan and Wisconsin. States that he wasn't expected to win.

The reason he won those states is because he promised explicitly to the blue collar workers there that he will reopen the coal mines, railroads, steel mills and factories.

He specifically went to the towns that have been hit hardest by the closing of these industries over the past few decades. And he PROMISED them in no uncertain terms that he will reopen all those industries. The people believed him and actually took it on themselves to get out the vote for him in those specific areas. Those are the votes that won those states for Trump.

And those were the states that put Trump over the top. The states that he wasn't supposed to win.

He basically won by making impossible promises to countless thousands of blue collar workers.

And now he's going to be in a position where he's not going to be able to deliver on those promises. He's not going to reopen the coal mines, railroads, steel mills and factories in those states. Especially not in the towns where he made those promises. For one thing those old facilities are totally out-dated and would never be "reopened" anyway. Even if the USA was going to get back into major steel making an manufacturing they would most likely start over from scratch with brand new facilities. Facilities that are state-of-the-art high-tech, and require high-tech employees to run them, and fewer of them to boot.

So the idea that he's going to be bringing back those old fashioned labor-intensive coal mines, steel mills, and factories of the past was never a realistic promise in any case. Those jobs are never coming back. That's an era gone by.

Yet it was these empty promises that got Trump into the White House.

And now he's not going to be able to deliver to the people he made those promises too. If he (and the USA) is lucky, he can luck out and somehow have a positive effect on the economy of the USA and possible new jobs. That is yet to be seen. But even if he manages to pull that off, it's not going to help the people he actually made the promises too. Those workers are not going to get their old labor-intensive low-tech jobs back. Everything today is all high-tech and it's going to require highly trained workers and fewer of them. That's just a fact of today's modern world.

In short, it's highly unlikely that Trump will succeed since his ideas are simply outdated. And then there's the prejudices, bigotries, and divisiveness that he incites without even realizing it. And that can be dangerous for America both domestically and abroad.

So I think the USA is in big trouble right now. We have a guy who doesn't know what he's doing in charge of the country and he's most likely mentally unstable on top of being out of touch with modern day technologies.

All because blue collar workers in PA, WI, MI, and OH. fell for unrealistic promises. That's what took Trump over the top in electoral votes. That's why he's the president elect today.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 29 by Divine Insight]

Obama made promises too did he not that he had no chance at succeeding at? He promised to close gitmo and couldn't. Yet he survived to two terms