It's time for Obama to GO

[WinePusher]

I believe Obama is probably the most radical president in our nation's history, aside from Woodrow Wilson. Not only is his policy questionable, but his character and personal actions are troubling

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech

So the question is

1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"

2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.

3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama

[sineporf]

I meant no offense but really when you repeat every talking point the republicans have used in the past year without doing the fact checking, you're just allowing yourself to be biased. Politics are sickening in this country lately, we should really start having real debates on the issues instead of just spreading catchy sounding lies to get the people enraged.

fine, no offense taken. I was not repeating republican talking points, everything mentioned, government bail outs, civilian trials for terrorists, the soft stance on iran, these aren't talking points.

Is Fox the only network with a bias in your opinion. Have you watched MSNBC, read the New York Times, Time Maazine, Newsweek. These media outlets share that same bias, except it is for something you agree with. How can you criticize Fox for having an opinion without criticizing left wing opinionated media outlets.

All right, not to be rude or anything, but Fox News is the worst out of all of those. At least MSNBC casts half-way intelligent people so you don't know you're actually being brainwashed. We're getting away from the point. This argument is focused on Obama.

[Chuck_G]

winepusher wrote:

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders

Did you know a bow in some Asian countries, or a wai as they call it here in Thailand is the equivalent of a handshake?

Is it possible that your hatred is hindering you from being rational?

-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America

I don't get that either. I really don't understand why people go to church.

-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

Are we exaggerating a wee bit using the word "lover"? Is it possible to appreciate philosophy from others that you overall don't agree with?

Is this your supposed evidence that Obama is a communist?

Is it possible that your hatred is hindering you from being rational?

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech

During the GWB years was there a lot of propaganda from the Left that you would include as " Hate Speech"?

Is it possible that whatever the current presidents' party affilitation the opposing side will use propaganda and fear mongering to manipulate people into joining them?

Is it possible that your hatred is hindering you from being rational?

1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"

Of course not. It's called slander & propaganda.

2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.

Do you think that Obama did this alone?

Or is it possible that economic advisors played a part in these decisions?

I am unsure whether these were sound decisions myself, however I will await the outcome as I don't claim to be a scholar of economics.

3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama

Here on the other side of the planet I have only Fox, MSNBC, BBC, and NewsAsia in english. MSNBC certainly favors the Libs. Fox certainly favors the conservatives. These are both OPINION DRIVEN news agencies.

As you have noted in other threads Fox has the most viewers by a long shot. (And they certainly have some good looking women working for them!)

Notice the contradiction? Is Fox giving Obama a free pass?

The main stream media over the last decade has gone from adequate to appalling in the U.S. and in my opinion it is not "NEWS".

[Goat]

Anita Dunn-Mao Se Tung Lover
Van Jones- Communist

You are reading too much Glenn Beck

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/16/ ... index.html

And van Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

He claims the right launched a smear campaign.

Hum. How do I believe???? the people themselves or the right wing fanatics who have been shown to be less than honest with the truth?

well, as brilliant as Glenn Beck may be he did not make up the quote of Anita Dunn quoting Mao Se Tung to be her favorite philosopher

I'm very glad that at least one network is watching this administration. Glenn Beck's coverage of Van Jones was excellent, he was merely reporting on Jone's background, affiliations and radical statements. That isn't a smear campaign.

Obviously, you didn't read the article. How shameful that you are listening to distortion of facts. So, Anita Dunn was quoting GOP strategist Lee Atwater who was quoting Mao.

From that article

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- White House communications director Anita Dunn fired back at criticism from TV commentator Glenn Beck on Friday, saying that a Mao Tse-tung quote Beck took issue with was picked up from legendary GOP strategist Lee Atwater.

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I will further say that if someone uses a quote from Mao to make a point, it doesn't make them a 'Mao Lover'. To insist it does is just plain dishonest.
Of course, I don't consider Glenn Beck, the one who made the big stink to being with a model of honesty to begin with.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 9:

Anita Dunn-Mao Se Tung Lover
Van Jones- Communist

Big whoop. If that's all you've got to say in response to my Post 4, I can only assume you're upset because some folks don't share your ideology.

Two folks in an administration of so many hardly seems a compelling argument for Obama embracing the (entire) ideology of these two folks.

[aarons914]

I meant no offense but really when you repeat every talking point the republicans have used in the past year without doing the fact checking, you're just allowing yourself to be biased. Politics are sickening in this country lately, we should really start having real debates on the issues instead of just spreading catchy sounding lies to get the people enraged.

fine, no offense taken. I was not repeating republican talking points, everything mentioned, government bail outs, civilian trials for terrorists, the soft stance on iran, these aren't talking points.

Is Fox the only network with a bias in your opinion. Have you watched MSNBC, read the New York Times, Time Maazine, Newsweek. These media outlets share that same bias, except it is for something you agree with. How can you criticize Fox for having an opinion without criticizing left wing opinionated media outlets.

Actually like someone else said I think most media is ridiculous today and some barely passes as news, fox definitely isn't news because not only is their bias worse but they regularly lie and let guests lie without questioning them. The most recent example of this is the tea party, most news stations report on the tea party but Fox is actually endorsing them and Hannity has done a few shows at Tea party rallys and no he wasn't reporting on the rally he was part of it.

But back to your question about left wing bias, yes I watch MSNBC and it is biased but it's not extreme like fox. They report on stories of the day with their slant yes but they don't try to take every single story of the day and try to turn it into an Obama bashing session like one I know. Anyway though, I try to get both sides so I regularly watch fox as well but I have to tell you every time they make a negative statement about Obama and one of his policies I check politifact the next day and most of the time Fox has lied so you might want to check your facts instead of just believing everything they say.

[Lux]

because it isn't customary for the united state president to bow to other world leaders.

Maybe the fact that "it isn't customary" for the USA President to show respect for his fellow world leaders is part of why the public perception of the USA government in other countries is so terrible.
Do you travel outside the United States or regularly talk to people from other countries? If so, you might agree that the general concept foreigners have of the USA has much improved during Obama's administration.

first of all, I believe the Japanese leader he bowed to saw it somewhat disrespectful.

I sincerely doubt it.

and as much as i dislike obama, he isn't a subordinate to other world leaders.

Bowing is no sign of subordination, but of respect.
If this trivial matter is number one on your list of reasons why Obama shouldn't be President, maybe you're trying a little too hard to find support for a pre-conceived dislike towards the democratic party.

Communications Director: Anita Dunn- Mao Se Tung Lover
Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones- Communist, 9/11 Birther

I hardly think quoting Mao Se Tung is equal to being a "Mao lover". And when did it become a crime for the president to appoint someone who doesn't share his exact views on everything?

Ok, so Obama appoints someone who is allegedly a communist, and then he magically turns into a communist himself? Or do you have any other reasons for labeling him a communist?

Secondly, is it the government's job to save failing industries. Capitialism is the ability to suceed or fail on your own, any government intervention is nothing short of socialism.

It is, however, the government's job to ensure their people a decent lifestyle. A decent lifestyle usually includes a job, would you agree?
General Motors alone (one of the companies saved by the government in 2009) employs almost a quarter of a million people. That's just one company.

Are you telling me that if the government had stood by and watched hundreds of thousands of citizens lose their jobs you would have said "Obama did what he had to do, that's how capitalism works!"? Or perhaps if that had been the case then we'd be discussing how could that heartless monster Obama do that?
What would have happened to the country's economy when hundreds of thousands if not millions of citizens filed for unemployment?

[East of Eden]

Actually like someone else said I think most media is ridiculous today and some barely passes as news, fox definitely isn't news because not only is their bias worse but they regularly lie and let guests lie without questioning them.

Actually, polls show FOX is the most trusted news source.

The most recent example of this is the tea party, most news stations report on the tea party but Fox is actually endorsing them and Hannity has done a few shows at Tea party rallys and no he wasn't reporting on the rally he was part of it.

Hannity admits he is a partisan Republican. The MSM is full of liberal Democrats masquerading as journalists.

But back to your question about left wing bias, yes I watch MSNBC and it is biased but it's not extreme like fox. They report on stories of the day with their slant yes but they don't try to take every single story of the day and try to turn it into an Obama bashing session like one I know.

Like this lunatic?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmo ... -shut-hell

[DeBunkem]

winepusher wrote:
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America

in the code words of the wackadoodle right, anything that criticises the policies of the US government is "hate America." These dittoheads spew the worst hate America speech because they hate our government.

Pastor Wright spoke in the tradition of MLK, who condemned US policy towards the Vietnam invasion and US racism.

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.
James Arthur Baldwin

[East of Eden]

in the code words of the wackadoodle right, anything that criticises the policies of the US government is "hate America." These dittoheads spew the worst hate America speech because they hate our government.

The right criticizes the policies of the current US government all the time, which kind of blows your argument.

Pastor Wright spoke in the tradition of MLK, who condemned US policy towards the Vietnam invasion and US racism.

Do you also think we somehow deserved 9/11? Wright also is a pal with the racist Farrakhan.

Strange how to the nut left, criticism is only OK when the right is on power.

[DeBunkem]

in the code words of the wackadoodle right, anything that criticises the policies of the US government is "hate America." These dittoheads spew the worst hate America speech because they hate our government.

The right criticizes the policies of the current US government all the time, which kind of blows your argument.

Pastor Wright spoke in the tradition of MLK, who condemned US policy towards the Vietnam invasion and US racism.

Do you also think we somehow deserved 9/11? Wright also is a pal with the racist Farrakhan.

Strange how to the nut left, criticism is only OK when the right is on power.

Didn't hear from the Wingnut Right during the wretched Bush years. Far from blowing my argument, it only highlights the hypocrisy of the right. What does 9/11 have to do with anything in my post? What about wackadoodle rightist Timothy McVeigh and other hatehead shooters and bombers? Does America deserve their attacks? What does "pal" mean...they've met before? Explain this alleged relationship between Wright and Farrakan beyond infantile RepubliCon code words and bullet points. The non-right believe in good government because we believe in the Constitution. We are just as critical of present unjust government policy such as continuing the Bush oil wars and sending Israel $30 billion a year instead of helping our own. The right thinks might makes right, the rest of us believe in diplomacy and waging peace.