What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[oldbadger]

Probably, but they had the power, so. (I didn't ask permission. I had already put up the cameras. The cop asked me if it was to do with the vandalism. I said yes. That's when it turned into me trying to get someone who couldn't consent to being recorded, and if it was aimed at them, I could be sued.)

You didn't tell me where you are, but that is just nonsense....what you were told.
When you go out just look about you, at all those public and private owned cctv cameras!

You well know what I asked. You're refusing to answer. I don't have a right to free ice cream any time I want. You turned that into I do have a right to free ice cream when someone offers.

I'll ask again: How do you determine if you have a right or not? This can't be to do with extant laws since if it was, there would never be any change of laws argued. I'm talking about rights, not laws.

No i Didn't, I told you that free ice cream is exactly that....there either is some or none.
However, you don't often answer my questions, such 'What country, state, county do you live in?'

Where I live there are so many Freedoms........ for example, the foreshore outside my home is 'Freeground' for any people to roam and collect oysters, cockles, etc etc, but a mile further along it is not, because a person holds a charter which gives them sole rights to do exactly that. So I can collect free oysters for breakfast any time I like on the Free ground outside my home.

But ice cream is only FREE when it's offered for free....... otherwise it doesn't exist.

If it's about extant laws, then, in the US, you lose, because the 2nd Amendment protects free speech. If that's not always a good law because it fails to respect the inherent rights of people not to be bullied, then you need to explain how you know a right not to be bullied exists.

If you think that you can go out in to public places and insult, threaten or upsert folks then you're probably in for a nasty surprise.

Again..... where do you live? I live in Kent, England.

[Purple Knight]

Probably, but they had the power, so. (I didn't ask permission. I had already put up the cameras. The cop asked me if it was to do with the vandalism. I said yes. That's when it turned into me trying to get someone who couldn't consent to being recorded, and if it was aimed at them, I could be sued.)

You didn't tell me where you are, but that is just nonsense....what you were told.
When you go out just look about you, at all those public and private owned cctv cameras!

They didn't tell me I couldn't have a camera. They told me I had the right to have the camera but that one of these kids had mental illness and couldn't consent to being recorded, so if I was doing it to get this kid, if my having a camera was targeted at this kid, I could be sued.

I'll ask again: How do you determine if you have a right or not?

If you will answer, I will.

[oldbadger]

They didn't tell me I couldn't have a camera. They told me I had the right to have the camera but that one of these kids had mental illness and couldn't consent to being recorded, so if I was doing it to get this kid, if my having a camera was targeted at this kid, I could be sued.

They must have been having fun with you, PK......... you can give footage of any home intruder to the police.....any. But it isn't a good idea to splash such a video over the internet. However, where I live a householder put up a video on face-book to show a vandal scratching her car and she was told a suspect's name within a few minutes, she gave all the information to the police and it resulted in an arrest/conviction.

If you will answer, I will.

I think I've already told you that I discover any rights that I have from legislation, bye-laws etc......and that is what I could do wherever you live.
But you won't tell me where you live so I cannot guess for you.

[Purple Knight]

They didn't tell me I couldn't have a camera. They told me I had the right to have the camera but that one of these kids had mental illness and couldn't consent to being recorded, so if I was doing it to get this kid, if my having a camera was targeted at this kid, I could be sued.

They must have been having fun with you, PK......... you can give footage of any home intruder to the police.....any. But it isn't a good idea to splash such a video over the internet. However, where I live a householder put up a video on face-book to show a vandal scratching her car and she was told a suspect's name within a few minutes, she gave all the information to the police and it resulted in an arrest/conviction.

Like I said maybe they were having fun. But I didn't want this kid's mother suing me and this cop testifying against me.

I think I've already told you that I discover any rights that I have from legislation, bye-laws etc......and that is what I could do wherever you live.
But you won't tell me where you live so I cannot guess for you.

I've lived in Florida and Colorado. I had the worse experience in South Florida.

So if you discover any rights you have from the law, would you be just fine in Nazi Germany with Jews having fewer rights? I mean, the government gives more rights to Aryans so then they just have them, right? Or would you have a conscience basis to say, this law, it is not right, actually people have in some cases more rights than the government gives them, and in the case of Nazis elevating white people, potentially, they actually have fewer?

[Clownboat]

So funny how quickly you dropped the underage critique.
It disappeared faster then the speed of light.

Why is this funny? Would you like to discuss this underage critique? If so, feel free.

Q: What is happening?

I pointed out that you were being a bully. Quite ironic.

Dear sir there was a serious mirroring event. Did you missed it?

Nope. Is your missed it comment further bullying. You could try calling me stupid instead.

I was using your words. I simply copy pasted your words and replaced some.

I asked you questions. It's a shame you failed to answer them which would have furthered the conversation, but you do you.

Multiple types of punishments depending on how serious it is.
From fines to jail times if serious physical violence is involved.

Right, which is why I asked you clarifying questions that you failed to address.

Bulling either happened or it didn't. Same logic.

Have you bullied me in this thread?

What would actually work against bullies would be if society stood up to them. If others were to berate you for your bullying in this post for example, perhaps you would do better next time and would try a different approach. What I don't believe to be a good idea is for me to call the police and claim that you have distressed me so much that you deserve to be fined or placed in jail.

No need for lying.

Is it bullying to call someone a liar? Some will think so. What should your punishment be?

Things need to be proven in debate and in court.
You could claim anything. Claims mean nothing without evidence or argument.

My evidence was:
It's laughable that you cannot comprehend simple things...
My argument does not need clarification and you are unwilling to comprehend it.
This is what makes it a complete failure to understand simple things.

The whole previous post was just a serious mirror event.
Please sir call the police on your self.
So funny.

Bullying is in fact, not funny. If you feel I have bullied you, I apologize.

[Clownboat]

Was a crime committed?

In the UK, yes.

I wonder how alexxcJRO would feel about having to pay a fine for his crime. Your thoughts alexxcJRO?

How about where you live?
Where do you live?

I live in the US.

[alexxcJRO]

Why is this funny? Would you like to discuss this underage critique? If so, feel free

You were critiquing with this question: " Is there an age limit? Would toddlers in daycare be subjected to punishment for continuing to steal the pacifier of another toddler for example?"

And then I put a mirror to make you see the error of your ways:
"Is there an age limit? Would a teenager in middle-school/high-school be subjected to punishment for continuing to rape/sexually assault another teenager for example?"
You dropped it so fast it was funny.

I pointed out that you were being a bully. Quite ironic.
Nope. Is your missed it comment further bullying. You could try calling me stupid instead.
I asked you questions. It's a shame you failed to answer them which would have furthered the conversation, but you do you.it means you were being a fully.

Again: I was using your words. I simply copy pasted your words and replaced some to show how you sound and how you argument is going against it self. Your argument was self defeating. You were self defeating.
Q: Are you being obtuse on purpose?
English is not my native language. Maybe I am not making myself understood.

Have you bullied me in this thread?
My evidence was:
It's laughable that you cannot comprehend simple things...
My argument does not need clarification and you are unwilling to comprehend it.
This is what makes it a complete failure to understand simple things.

Q: Have you bullied yourself?!
You should call the police on your self.
Mirroring events only show yourself not the other guy.
Mirrors are not windows but they reflect back yourself.

Is it bullying to call someone a liar? Some will think so. What should your punishment be?

Is it a sexual offense to hit on girl in a more insisting way? Some will think so. (ex: the Karen-princess like girls of our present times)What the punishment should be?
It is as complicated sir to prosecute and clearly make the difference between just hitting on a girl a more insisting way and sexually harassing someone.
Someone might be a Karen and exaggerate.
That does not justify letting evil run rampant because whining is a thing and we don't like to deal with complicated things.

[oldbadger]

Like I said maybe they were having fun. But I didn't want this kid's mother suing me and this cop testifying against me.

A very strange idea, I think.

I've lived in Florida and Colorado. I had the worse experience in South Florida.

I wouldn't like South Florida either....... I'm a more temperate dwelling person.

So if you discover any rights you have from the law, would you be just fine in Nazi Germany with Jews having fewer rights? I mean, the government gives more rights to Aryans so then they just have them, right? Or would you have a conscience basis to say, this law, it is not right, actually people have in some cases more rights than the government gives them, and in the case of Nazis elevating white people, potentially, they actually have fewer?

Fortunately Nazi Germany has not been in existence for over 75 years.
Where I live we have a vote at local and General elections, and so we have some voice concerning the laws of our country and districts.
But we cannot pick and choose which laws we will keep or disregard.
If you don't like the leaders and laws and police in your State then it might be an idea to move to one which you feel more safe within?

You don't seem to have much respect for any of them though.......just saying.

[Purple Knight]

Like I said maybe they were having fun. But I didn't want this kid's mother suing me and this cop testifying against me.

A very strange idea, I think.

I'd be interested to know how you'd react to a cop telling you you're going to be sued and implying he'll testify against you.

I've lived in Florida and Colorado. I had the worse experience in South Florida.

I wouldn't like South Florida either....... I'm a more temperate dwelling person.

Extreme heat plus extreme overpopulation equals a very nasty place to live.

So if you discover any rights you have from the law, would you be just fine in Nazi Germany with Jews having fewer rights? I mean, the government gives more rights to Aryans so then they just have them, right? Or would you have a conscience basis to say, this law, it is not right, actually people have in some cases more rights than the government gives them, and in the case of Nazis elevating white people, potentially, they actually have fewer?

Fortunately Nazi Germany has not been in existence for over 75 years.

You think? I think dismissing what we know can happen as over and done makes it so we don't learn from history and are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes.

Where I live we have a vote at local and General elections, and so we have some voice concerning the laws of our country and districts.
But we cannot pick and choose which laws we will keep or disregard.
If you don't like the leaders and laws and police in your State then it might be an idea to move to one which you feel more safe within?

You don't seem to have much respect for any of them though.......just saying.

I follow the laws more than most people in my country and I would bet money on that. But no, I don't respect them. Why ought I to when one of the founders of my country said that rights are above laws, and there can be unjust ones, which we not only may, but must disobey? Even if he's wrong, the basis of law in my country is that rights come first, so if documents and laws and all that can make whatever is written down upon them righteous, then they have so made that idea that rights > laws.

Martin Luther King also spoke of a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws. He was at the forefront of the basis for much of civil rights legislature, so again, even if law is all and conscience is nothing, when men who believe law is subordinate to conscience spearhead movements and make laws, they make it true that conscience is right.

[oldbadger]

I'd be interested to know how you'd react to a cop telling you you're going to be sued and implying he'll testify against you.

Acknowledge what the cop has told you.
Ask him if he intends to testify against you or not because his implication is not enough.
Ask him what his claim is.
Take his name, number and station address.
Give your own details.
Explain that any case will be defended.
.......................done.

You think? I think dismissing what we know can happen as over and done makes it so we don't learn from history and are doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes.

Nazi Germany is no more......... humanity will need to answer anything that comes next, as and when it comes.

Martin Luther King also spoke of a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws. He was at the forefront of the basis for much of civil rights legislature, so again, even if law is all and conscience is nothing, when men who believe law is subordinate to conscience spearhead movements and make laws, they make it true that conscience is right.

Can you tell me about a law which Martin Luther had in mind?