Unwanted embryos

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I think there is a relationship suggested here: that lack of moral outrage means lack of moral issue. Surely lack of moral outrage implies lack of morals more clearly?

Here's an idea: all unwanted embryos should become property of the state

Let's explore that suggestion.

Unwanted embryos cannot, at present state of technology, develop into an independently living human being. They require a uterus for development.

Shall we FORCE women to carry and give birth to those unwanted embryos if they do not do so willingly?

None of us would likely consider it rational to force a woman to undergo pregnancy with the frozen embryos. We would consider it a draconian invasion of the woman's right to make decisions regarding her own body. Right? Anyone disagree so far?

Now, apply that to unwanted pregnancy.

Many WOULD force a woman to undergo pregnancy unwillingly with an embryo (egg fertilized by a sperm (in utero) -- identical to in vitro / frozen embryo) if it resulted from intercourse. Remember, there is no difference in the embryos.

THAT, I maintain is draconian infringement upon the woman's right to do make decisions regarding her own body – because someone else feels empowered to decide when she should and should not have intercourse and under what conditions.

THAT, I maintain is the "moral objection" – objection to couples having intercourse unless they are willing to produce and raise offspring. For many or most couples in the modern world that means abstaining from intercourse other than a few times in a lifetime.

Everyone agree with that plan? Or do you think it is nuts (or hopelessly idealistic, fantasy, irrational, etc)?

Who is empowered to make such "rules" for others or to force their opinions onto others? What religious dogma is empowered? By whom?

Outside of some moralizers and "righteous" propagandists, Christians seem to agree that a woman should not be forced to undergo unwanted pregnancy -- by virtue of the fact that Christian women account for most abortions in the US -- well over a half million per year.

Actual numbers: 65% of 1.21 million abortions are Christian women (2008) = 786,500. Total abortions since Roe vs. Wade in 1973 = 50 million x 65% = 32,500,000 Christian abortions.

[Bust Nak]

It's a matter of value judgement. I say sentient aliens deserve the right to marriage, then they do.

How is this not "if someone (I) believes X then X is the case"?

You just need to remember to expand the shortform in that statement thus: For any subjective matter X, if someone (I) believes X then X is better for me, the speaker.

With the statement in question it expands to: "It's a matter of value judgement. I say sentient aliens deserve the right to marriage, then aliens having the right to marriage, is better for me, the speaker."

There is no magical, you've already acknowledge that it is fine for statements of one's own views, you already knew that 'better' is shortform for "better for me, the speaker."