American Christian Soul Union.

[jcrawford]

I have written the following flyer to hand out to students at public schools, and was wondering if anyone would like to post comments or enquiries.

AMERICAN CHRISTIAN SOUL UNION


Christians know more about their own souls, minds, thoughts, ideas, beliefs feelings and behavior than any secular educator, psychologist or psychiatrist working for the public schools does. Christian churches, the Bible and therapeutic textbooks based on it provide all of the mental health treatment facilities and resources necessary to satisfy the spiritual and mental health requirements of maintaining a sound Christian mind, body and soul.

Christian students and teachers in public schools must be informed of their legal right to obtain Christian and legal counseling before being psychologically quizzed, tested, interrogated or psychologically abused by any public school educators, psychologists or psychological counselors. Christian students and teachers have the right to remain silent in the face of any psychological investigation or examination of their person, on the grounds that anything they say may be psychologically, medically and legally used against them in a court of law.

Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them by employees, agents or representatives of a public school, with or without permission, and to sue public schools for any violation of their civil rights as well as for any psychological and medical malpractice perpetrated by employees, agents and representatives of a public school system.

Besides being of obvious Christian concern, I see the unsupervised psychological labeling and drugging of millions of public school students as a political and cultural issue, as well a psychological threat to the successful education and careers of American school-children.

Question for discussion and debate is whether or not you think that Christians have any right to resist the secular practice of conducting unsupervised psychological investigations and examinations on the students or staff which may result in the psychological labeling and drugging of Christian teachers and students without their advised consent and with no recourse to legal or Christian representation in such serious matters regarding the mental health of their Christian minds and souls.

[ManBearPig]

so... this is where im kinda confused. if they are being tested... like in school... you know where they take tests for marks? they can consult "Christian and legal counseling" before hand to see if they can opt out?

No Enigma, I think jcrawford is talking about psychological tests, as in the "what do you see in this ink blot?" kind of testing. Though he is fairly scant on details, and I can certainly understand your confusion .

Unfortunately since jcrawford can't give a straightforward answer to a simple question, I gotta give up on this thread....

[EnigmaAtlas]

thanks for clearing that up manbearpig... and i too love south park

[jcrawford]

Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them by employees, agents or representatives of a public school, with or without permission, and to sue public schools for any violation of their civil rights as well as for any psychological and medical malpractice perpetrated by employees, agents and representatives of a public school system.

so if someone doesnt want to take a Biology test (for example) and they get a zero they can sue for violation of their civil rights

If you can read what you quoted, you would read that "Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them ... "

[jcrawford]

No Enigma, I think jcrawford is talking about psychological tests, as in the "what do you see in this ink blot?" kind of testing. Though he is fairly scant on details, and I can certainly understand your confusion .

Unfortunately since jcrawford can't give a straightforward answer to a simple question, I gotta give up on this thread....

Reading the OP might help you solve some mental problems too.

Question for discussion and debate is whether or not you think that Christians have any right to resist the secular practice of conducting unsupervised psychological investigations and examinations on the students or staff which may result in the psychological labeling and drugging of Christian teachers and students without their advised consent and with no recourse to legal or Christian representation in such serious matters regarding the mental health of their Christian minds and souls.

[EnigmaAtlas]

Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them by employees, agents or representatives of a public school, with or without permission, and to sue public schools for any violation of their civil rights as well as for any psychological and medical malpractice perpetrated by employees, agents and representatives of a public school system.

so if someone doesnt want to take a Biology test (for example) and they get a zero they can sue for violation of their civil rights

If you can read what you quoted, you would read that "Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them ... "

doesnt ANYONE have the right to do that? why does this only target J-followers. why not write it for everyone. i dont this religion is the only reason why people can seek 2nd opinions in this matter, i tihnk you would get better feed back if everyone was included.

[micatala]

I have written the following flyer to hand out to students at public schools, and was wondering if anyone would like to post comments or enquiries.

AMERICAN CHRISTIAN SOUL UNION


Christians know more about their own souls, minds, thoughts, ideas, beliefs feelings and behavior than any secular educator, psychologist or psychiatrist working for the public schools does. Christian churches, the Bible and therapeutic textbooks based on it provide all of the mental health treatment facilities and resources necessary to satisfy the spiritual and mental health requirements of maintaining a sound Christian mind, body and soul.

Christian students and teachers in public schools must be informed of their legal right to obtain Christian and legal counseling before being psychologically quizzed, tested, interrogated or psychologically abused by any public school educators, psychologists or psychological counselors. Christian students and teachers have the right to remain silent in the face of any psychological investigation or examination of their person, on the grounds that anything they say may be psychologically, medically and legally used against them in a court of law.

Christians in public schools also have the right to obtain a second opinion regarding any psychological diagnosis or evaluation which is made of them by employees, agents or representatives of a public school, with or without permission, and to sue public schools for any violation of their civil rights as well as for any psychological and medical malpractice perpetrated by employees, agents and representatives of a public school system.

Besides being of obvious Christian concern, I see the unsupervised psychological labeling and drugging of millions of public school students as a political and cultural issue, as well a psychological threat to the successful education and careers of American school-children.

Question for discussion and debate is whether or not you think that Christians have any right to resist the secular practice of conducting unsupervised psychological investigations and examinations on the students or staff which may result in the psychological labeling and drugging of Christian teachers and students without their advised consent and with no recourse to legal or Christian representation in such serious matters regarding the mental health of their Christian minds and souls.

Since the question is so loaded with implied assumptions and seems to be only concerned about what happens to Christians and not anybody else, I will offer an answer but without buying into any of the unsubstantiated implied assumptions.

Every citizen should have a right to informed consent before medical treatments, including psychological treatments, are conducted. I certainly would put any administration of drugs into the category of required informed parental consent. I would share what I think is jcrawford's concern that too many children are prescribed drugs with insufficient justification.

We could start a whole thread on this, except for the fact that the use of these drugs has really nothing at all to do with Christianity in particular or religion in general.

However, it is unclear what jcrawford means by psychological examinations. Children should not be expected to undergo 'psychoanalysis' without informed parental consent. However, IQ tests or appropriately designed attitudinal surveys that are legitimately a part of the educational enterprise would not, IMV, be psychological examinations. Perhaps jcrawford would like to more specifically define his terms, if that is possible, or provide specific examples.


As far as the flyer, I would not discourage jcrawford from distributing it. My expectation is that it most people would find it rather ridiculous. It might serve to help people discern legitimate concerns from those that are more spurious.

[jcrawford]

doesnt ANYONE have the right to do that? why does this only target J-followers. why not write it for everyone.

As a Christian I know that alternatives to unwarranted and unjustified psychological treatments are available to Christians through biblically oriented therapeutic systems of mental health and salvation, but cannot speak for any other religious community or group of individuals who may not be in opposition to psychological treatment in US public schools.

i dont this religion is the only reason why people can seek 2nd opinions in this matter, i tihnk you would get better feed back if everyone was included.

Not everyone wants to be included in Christian forms of mental health therapy and salvation though.

[EnigmaAtlas]

ok im still drawing a blank. give me an example of these tests that will cost such distress for a christian in a public school that they will need to go get "refilled" with hope juice.

[jcrawford]

Since the question is so loaded with implied assumptions and seems to be only concerned about what happens to Christians and not anybody else, I will offer an answer but without buying into any of the unsubstantiated implied assumptions.

Every citizen should have a right to informed consent before medical treatments, including psychological treatments, are conducted. I certainly would put any administration of drugs into the category of required informed parental consent. I would share what I think is jcrawford's concern that too many children are prescribed drugs with insufficient justification.

Thank you, micatala. A lot of Christians share these concerns but have no idea of what to do about the insidious problem of psychological abuse and mistreatment of young people in US public schools. I don't know of any atheists or secular humanists who care one way or the other.

We could start a whole thread on this, except for the fact that the use of these drugs has really nothing at all to do with Christianity in particular or religion in general.

Yet we are on the Politics and Religion forum and drug abuse is both a political and religious problem for parents and teachers.

However, it is unclear what jcrawford means by psychological examinations. Children should not be expected to undergo 'psychoanalysis' without informed parental consent. However, IQ tests or appropriately designed attitudinal surveys that are legitimately a part of the educational enterprise would not, IMV, be psychological examinations. Perhaps jcrawford would like to more specifically define his terms, if that is possible, or provide specific examples.

The flyer focuses on the adminstration of psychiatric drugs through recommendation and reference by public school officials and makes no reference to general IQ tests or attitudinal surveys at all.

As far as the flyer, I would not discourage jcrawford from distributing it. My expectation is that it most people would find it rather ridiculous. It might serve to help people discern legitimate concerns from those that are more spurious.

Thank you for the review of the flyer. Perhaps I can edit it do be more specific about the legitimate concerns which Christian parents should have regarding the psychological abuse of their children when they are referred to psychiatrists and prescribed drugs for some mental illness solely invented by psychosociologists and psychiatrists whose personal mental conditions and problems themselves need to be socially investigated and evaluated by Christian parents, teachers, analysts, therapists, counselors, theologians and lawyers.

[jcrawford]

ok im still drawing a blank. give me an example of these tests that will cost such distress for a christian in a public school that they will need to go get "refilled" with hope juice.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Educate/p ... o_kill.htm

http://www.mindfreedom.org/know/psych-d ... hools/view

http://www.mind-trek.com/reports/misc/minddest.htm