Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay Recognize Palestinian State

[DeBunkem]

Israel's "collective punishment" on the health and welfare of the imprisoned Palestinian people becomes more odious the more draconian it becomes. The Zionist Apartheid Rogue Entity raves and brandishes its arsenal if some ME nation merely fails to recognize the "state" of Israel. Nevertheless, they have carved a state out of stolen land and refuse to grant statehood to Palestine. They have also made it clear that they will never allow a two-state solution. It is clear who is the obstructionist in the ME peace process.
Interesting to note that these SA states are among the regional resistance to the IMF, multi-national corporations and US hegemony.

Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay Recognize Palestinian State in Occupied Territories
The Palestinian effort for statehood has received a boost with recognition from three South American countries. Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay have each declared their recognition of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip based on the 1967 borders. Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman announced his government’s stance on Monday.

Héctor Timerman: "The president of the nation, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, sent a letter to the president of the National Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the Argentine government recognizes Palestine as a free and independent state in the borders as they were in 1967 and according to what the parties determined during the negotiation process."

Israel has harshly condemned the moves as an affront to the so-called "peace process." With U.S. support, Israel has insisted on maintaining control of large Jewish-only settlement blocs that carve up the West Bank. Aid groups meanwhile continue to denounce the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip and ongoing restrictions in the West Bank. Kate Allen of Amnesty International said Palestinians are being "systematically" deprived of water.

Kate Allen: "There is a systematic and deliberate means of stopping water getting to Palestinian families, and that is having a dramatic effect upon the way in which people are able to live their lives. Water is an absolute basic necessity. It’s a human right. It is shocking to see that the Israeli government is behaving in this way."

Palestine's WMD



The usual flimsy excuse given by Israel for its depredations.

[cnorman18]

Zionism is racist.

I am not Jewish, but my understanding of Zionism is that it is the belief that historical Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It says NOTHING about Jews beng superior to any other race.

It's one of the modern world's little ironies that "Zionism = racism" is itself a deeply bigoted statement, but has become a virtual article of faith in some circles.

Arabs constitute 20% of Israel's citizens. They work, own land, do business, VOTE, and serve in the Knesset. The corresponding percentage for Jews in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, etc., would be close to zero, and it is, of course, the openly and explicitly stated goal of the major terrorist organizations in the Mideast that no Jew should live anywhere in that part of the world.

And yet it is the Zionists who are said to be "racists."

[Vladd44]

Just because someone else is racist in deed does not mean the one standing next to them is not. I hate to break it to you but more often than not there are two wrong sides in an argument.

Zionism is the belief in a jewish homeland. Since clearly not everyone in Israel is of a religious sort the definition of jewish is a racial distinction. That is racism.

Are the other countries you mentioned racially biased? Of course.

I also do not think it is unreasonable for Jews to want a "Jewish State", but it still does not make it any less of a racial divide.

The choice of location was pretty lousy. I still say something could be worked out with NYC.

Any idea that the Israelis have some ancestral right to the particular location is absurd as suggesting that native american tribes in the US have a legitimate claim to their land back. Good luck with that one.

After all the Native Americans have been displaced for a much shorter period of time.

But if you want to speak of displacement, how about the Palestinians? There are some still alive that were displaced!

The Jews had not legitimate claim to Palestine, there should have never been a jewish state created in the region. Unfortunately that has not been case.

It is time for the USA to abandon Israel to it's own devices, if they wish to be a Pariah State then so be it, but there is no need for us to play the fool for them any longer.

[cnorman18]

Just because someone else is racist in deed does not mean the one standing next to them is not. I hate to break it to you but more often than not there are two wrong sides in an argument.

Zionism is the belief in a jewish homeland.

That doesn't mean that no non-Jews are allowed there.

Since clearly not everyone in Israel is of a religious sort the definition of jewish is a racial distinction. That is racism.

That "Jews are a race" is itself a bigoted statement has already been proven around here. Try to find a reference or source for that claim that doesn't come from a hate site.

Are the other countries you mentioned racially biased? Of course.

I also do not think it is unreasonable for Jews to want a "Jewish State", but it still does not make it any less of a racial divide.

The choice of location was pretty lousy. I still say something could be worked out with NYC.

After two generations?

Any idea that the Israelis have some ancestral right to the particular location is absurd as suggesting that native american tribes in the US have a legitimate claim to their land back. Good luck with that one.

After all the Native Americans have been displaced for a much shorter period of time.

I've been pretty consistent here about saying that ancient history is irrelevant. Apparently you haven't read many of these debates.

But if you want to speak of displacement, how about the Palestinians? There are some still alive that were displaced!

The Jews had not legitimate claim to Palestine, there should have never been a jewish state created in the region. Unfortunately that has not been case.

Case in point.

Further, on the oft-repeated allegation that the Israelis “stole Palestinian land�:

Look here, here, and here; Note this:

1. As far back as 1893, the Jews not only were already far from being a small minority in the areas where they had settled, but were the largest single group there (if one divides the non-Jewish population into Muslim and Christian), and

2. Substantial immigration of Arabs to Palestine took place during the first half of the twentieth century; from 1893 to 1947 while the Palestinian Arab population slightly more than doubled in areas where no Jews were settled, it quintupled in the main areas of Jewish settlement.

Look HERE, too. Note the chart on this page; at the time of the armistice in 1949, 8.54% of Israel was owned by either the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association, the Jewish National Fund, or Jewish individuals. Less than half that, 3.96%, was owned by Arab individuals. The rest was state land, which was transferred from the Arab government to the new Israeli government by UN mandate.

The idea that Israel was “stolen� from the Arabs is, simply put, a myth; and the proof of that, as I keep saying without response or acknowledgment, is that very many Arabs did not leave during the War of Independence; they remained in Israel, were left in peace, and they and their descendants live in Israel today. Arabs in Israel own land, do business, vote, serve in the Knesset, worship freely, and live as full, peaceful and participatory citizens of their nation. Other than Tunisia and Morocco, are there Jews in Arab countries who can say that? Will there be Jews who may do that in the Judenrein Palestinian state?

And, from yet another post:

The idea that the Israelis brutally invaded Palestine, murdered thousands of Arabs, and drove them off their ancestral lands is simply untrue. There were atrocities, but those occurred on both sides; and the FACT is that the Arab refugees who left Israel were welcome to return in 1948. That’s a matter of record, and the reasons it didn’t happen are not the fault of the Israelis.

From Resolution 194 of the United Nations General Assembly, passed on December 11, 1948, before the end of the War of Independence: Notice the portion marked in boldface.

Article 11 reads:

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

The Arab nations initially opposed this resolution, and few Arabs took the offer, specifically because of the refusal of the nations which attacked Israel to accept peace. Any Arabs who wanted to come home at the very beginning could have done so. Claiming that the “right of return� should extend two generations into the future, when a few hundred thousand refugees -- carefully and deliberately made to remain refugees for 62 years, unlike any “refugees� in human history anywhere in the world -- have multiplied into millions, and still have no intention of “living in peace with their neighbours,� is beyond ridiculous, no matter how heavily that idea is promoted in the Arab world.

It is time for the USA to abandon Israel to it's own devices, if they wish to be a Pariah State then so be it, but there is no need for us to play the fool for them any longer.

Why do you think the US supports Israel? I can think of a few reasons: our only ally in the Mideast, the only democracy, the only nation with free speech, a free press, freedom of religion, where women can vote; one of our most active and productive trading partners, a world leader in IT technology, dry-land agriculture, medicine (including, unfortunately but for obvious reasons, trauma medicine), desalination technology, and on and on and on.

Why do YOU think the US supports Israel? The Israelis have no oil....

[Wootah]

Israel's "collective punishment" on the health and welfare of the imprisoned Palestinian people becomes more odious the more draconian it becomes. The Zionist Apartheid Rogue Entity raves and brandishes its arsenal if some ME nation merely fails to recognize the "state" of Israel. Nevertheless, they have carved a state out of stolen land and refuse to grant statehood to Palestine. They have also made it clear that they will never allow a two-state solution. It is clear who is the obstructionist in the ME peace process.
Interesting to note that these SA states are among the regional resistance to the IMF, multi-national corporations and US hegemony.

Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay Recognize Palestinian State in Occupied Territories
The Palestinian effort for statehood has received a boost with recognition from three South American countries. Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay have each declared their recognition of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip based on the 1967 borders. Argentine Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman announced his government’s stance on Monday.

Héctor Timerman: "The president of the nation, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, sent a letter to the president of the National Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the Argentine government recognizes Palestine as a free and independent state in the borders as they were in 1967 and according to what the parties determined during the negotiation process."

Israel has harshly condemned the moves as an affront to the so-called "peace process." With U.S. support, Israel has insisted on maintaining control of large Jewish-only settlement blocs that carve up the West Bank. Aid groups meanwhile continue to denounce the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip and ongoing restrictions in the West Bank. Kate Allen of Amnesty International said Palestinians are being "systematically" deprived of water.

Kate Allen: "There is a systematic and deliberate means of stopping water getting to Palestinian families, and that is having a dramatic effect upon the way in which people are able to live their lives. Water is an absolute basic necessity. It’s a human right. It is shocking to see that the Israeli government is behaving in this way."

Palestine's WMD



The usual flimsy excuse given by Israel for its depredations.

Someone wants to murder Jews. God help us.