The Christianity Of Obama

[WinePusher]

In a recent poll conducted by some polling group, it said that 1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is actually a Muslim. Personally, I don't think he's a Muslim but I also do not think he is a Christian.

1) Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

2) What Do you think would lead 1 in 5 Americans to believe Obama is a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

[cnorman18]

I don't think it's anybody else's damn business whether or not Barack Obama is a good Christian, a practicing Christian, a "pseudo-Christian," or any other kind of Christian.

This comment would be warrented if Obama was a private citizen not serving as the president of America. But he is the president, and the people who elected him to that office have a right to know what his religious faith, and if it is genuine.

I would agree that the public has a right to know what the President's professed religion is; but whether or not it is genuine is between him and God, and no one but God has the right or the ability to make that judgment. Can you see inside anyone's soul to know how hard he is trying or what battles he has to fight? Do I, and others, have the right to pass judgment on the sincerity of YOUR faith?

"With what measure ye judge, so will ye be judged also." Are you sure you want your own Christianity judged by everybody from a Mississippi snake-handler to a High Church Anglican Bishop? Is your approach to your own belief any of their business?

No, I don't like passing judgement on others christianity, which I stated above. But I have no problem passing judgement on a public servant, lest it be the president.

Please show where the Bible says "Judge not - except for public servants."

As far as that goes, I don't think it's even anybody's business whether he's a Christian at all. We believe in religious freedom in the United States, and you can believe and profess whatever you like here.

So the question of a candidates or presidents personal beliefs should not be made known to the American people?

Where did I say anyone's religious affiliation ought to be secret?

My point is that neither you, nor anyone else, has the right to pass judgment on the sincerity of the religious convictions of another. That's God's job, and it never ceases to amaze me how many people think they have the right to do it for Him.

I think the term "self-righteous" was coined to describe that bit of arrogance.

[East of Eden]

He's a RINO - religious in name only.

Do you drink poison and pick up venomous snakes and dance around with them?

Ever go to a doctor - or do you have faith in God?

Do you worship on Saturday, or Sunday? Either way, there are those who think you're wrong.

See, you're a RINO too, according to some people I have met.

Who says your standards are God's standards?

And if "judge not" isn't about what you're doing, what IS it about?

Whether you or someone else agrees with my views, I think I do take Christianity seriously. I don't think Obama does as evidenced by his non-churchgoing and his crack about people 'clinging to their guns and religion', just off the top of my head. We also know, like many on the left, he gives very little to charity/church.

[cnorman18]

He's a RINO - religious in name only.

Do you drink poison and pick up venomous snakes and dance around with them?

Ever go to a doctor - or do you have faith in God?

Do you worship on Saturday, or Sunday? Either way, there are those who think you're wrong.

See, you're a RINO too, according to some people I have met.

Who says your standards are God's standards?

And if "judge not" isn't about what you're doing, what IS it about?

Whether you or someone else agrees with my views, I think I do take Christianity seriously. I don't think Obama does as evidenced by his non-churchgoing and his crack about people 'clinging to their guns and religion', just off the top of my head.

"Non-churchgoing" is a falsehood. It's easy to find his remarks on that subject, unless your mind is already made up. As far as his remarks about 'guns and religion' are concerned, I take my religion seriously too, but that doesn't mean I'm not annoyed by those who confuse a political position with the will of Almighty God.

Don't you mean that Obama doesn't take his religion seriously in the way that you think he should? See, that's the point you didn't get about my comment; people who handle snakes think that YOU don't take Christianity seriously. Are you prepared to say that you have the right to make that judgment and they don't?

We also know, like many on the left, he gives very little to charity/church.

Do you now? I give a good deal of money to charity, but I do it in cash, to people directly. There's no record of it anywhere, and I tell no one about it (note that I haven't given any specifics here, either). Can you stand before the White Throne and swear before God that you know for certain that that is not true of the President?

I'm not being ironic; I believe in God and would not mock Him. Do you claim the right to judge in God's place and pronounce the religious practice of another person inadequate or insincere?

I take my religion seriously, and I believe that you do, too. My only problem is with your apparent belief that you can read the minds and hearts of others and know for sure whether they are phonies and hypocrites or good Christians, primarily because - let us be honest here - primarily because their political views differ from your own.

There are antiwar activists who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan specifically because of their Christian beliefs. There are others who fight racism and discrimination of all kinds, including discrimination against gays, ALSO specifically because of their Christian beliefs. Do you think they take their religion seriously?

Why is YOUR approach to Christianity the RIGHT one, which indicates that people take it SERIOUSLY, and the approaches of others mark them as hypocrites? Make no mistake about it, that is your charge; professing to be a Christian while "not taking it seriously."

Who died and left you boss, man?

[East of Eden]

"Non-churchgoing" is a falsehood.

Huh? You don't have to go to church to be a Christian, and you don't have to go home to be married, but I would suggest in either case there is a problem with the relationship.

Don't you mean that Obama doesn't take his religion seriously in the way that you think he should? See, that's the point you didn't get about my comment; people who handle snakes think that YOU don't take Christianity seriously.

I've never met such people, but if they exist I'm glad they go to church.

Do you now? I give a good deal of money to charity, but I do it in cash, to people directly. There's no record of it anywhere, and I tell no one about it (note that I haven't given any specifics here, either). Can you stand before the White Throne and swear before God that you know for certain that that is not true of the President?

Tax returns from the president are public records, and if I recall right Obama doesn't give much to charity, although he's very generous with other people's tax money. The same stinginess was true of Gore and Clinton. I recall Clinton wrote off as a gift donations of his used underwear. It is pretty well established that conservative Christians give more to charity than non-believers. I would think that goes for conservative Jews too.

I'm not being ironic; I believe in God and would not mock Him. Do you claim the right to judge in God's place and pronounce the religious practice of another person inadequate or insincere?

Tell it to whoever started this thread. I'm personally more concerned with the damage he's doing to the country.

I take my religion seriously, and I believe that you do, too. My only problem is with your apparent belief that you can read the minds and hearts of others and know for sure whether they are phonies and hypocrites or good Christians, primarily because - let us be honest here - primarily because their political views differ from your own.

I didn't mention political views when I answered why I think Obama is a RINO.

There are antiwar activists who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan specifically because of their Christian beliefs. There are others who fight racism and discrimination of all kinds, including discrimination against gays, ALSO specifically because of their Christian beliefs.

So why do only those against gay marriage because of their Christian beliefs get the grief?

Why is YOUR approach to Christianity the RIGHT one, which indicates that people take it SERIOUSLY, and the approaches of others mark them as hypocrites? Make no mistake about it, that is your charge; professing to be a Christian while "not taking it seriously."

The same right anyone else has to opine Obama does take Christianity seriously. It's our opinions which in the long run, mean nothing.

[ChaosBorders]

"Non-churchgoing" is a falsehood.

Huh? You don't have to go to church to be a Christian, and you don't have to go home to be married, but I would suggest in either case there is a problem with the relationship.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost for Obama to be able to attend church? How disruptive it would be to the membership? He's doing the same thing Bush did. Do you think Bush was not really a Christian?

Tax returns from the president are public records, and if I recall right Obama doesn't give much to charity, although he's very generous with other people's tax money.

Yeah...he's really stingy: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35823326/

So why do only those against gay marriage because of their Christian beliefs get the grief?

Because they're usually the only ones being bigoted dicks about it.

The same right anyone else has to opine Obama does take Christianity seriously. It's our opinions which in the long run, mean nothing.

You have the right, but that doesn't make it a wise decision to make such judgments.

[DeBunkem]

But what about Terry Shiavo? Oops, that was another failed GOP wedge issue.. WMD's anyone? Mushroom clouds? Obama's birth certificate?

[Chuck_G]

1) Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

WHO CARES? I mean really? The OP is nothing more than another attempt to smear the president with unfounded accusations. I've been an avid reader of this forum for quite some time and it's gotten really old seeing the same Fox News talking points parroted, refuted, and then parroted again by the same posters later. This thread is as good as any to put this garabage to rest:

The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

Was Obama Born in the USA?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-ob ... n-the-usa/

Did Obama say we "are no longer a Christian nation"?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/d ... onger.html

Obama and 'Infanticide'
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... icide.html

Would Obama Have Soldiers Pay for Own War Injuries?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/would- ... -injuries/

Dueling chain e-mails claim he's a radical Muslim or a 'racist' Christian. Both can't be right.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... obama.html

Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/d ... nship.html

President Obama’s Vacation Days
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/presid ... tion-days/

Are three former Fannie Mae executives "economic advisers" to Obama?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/a ... nomic.html

ACORN Accusations
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... tions.html

The McCain campaign falsely claims that Obama voted to raise income taxes on individuals earning "as little as $32,000 per year."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... stion.html

Was Obama rude to wounded veterans during a visit to the National Naval Medical Center?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/2420/

Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

Is it true that nobody remembers Obama attending Columbia University?
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/obama- ... niversity/

Would Obama tax my profits if I sell my home? Would he tax my IRA? Would he tax my water?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/w ... _if_i.html

More “Birther� Nonsense: Obama’s 1981 Pakistan Trip
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/more-b ... stan-trip/

Obama's "Welfare"
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... lfare.html

Did the new health care law give Obama a Nazi-like "private army" of 6,000 people?
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/obamas-private-army/

Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/i ... ional.html

Palin vs. Obama: Death Panels
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin- ... th-panels/

"He Lied" About Bill Ayers?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... ayers.html

And there's a ton more. And before someone starts with "factcheck.org is another liberal media outlet" take a good look at the site and you will find plenty of info about Obama that you can use as LEGITIMATE things to complain about.

2) What Do you think would lead 1 in 5 Americans to believe Obama is a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

Because people hear what they want to hear from chain emails, OPINION oriented talk shows (Beck, Matthews, Oberman, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc), and "the news"?
I do of course realize that I will now be labeled as a bleeding heart liberal because I threw some stones at the conservative propaganda machine. But the fact is I have no more repect for far left media garbage such as MSNBC and The Huffington Post.

It is very unfortunate that this garbage masquerading as "The News" is regarded as anything more than entertainment.

[WinePusher]

The OP is nothing more than another attempt to smear the president with unfounded accusations.

It is? Maybe you should read it a little more closely because I am not smearing Obama with unfounded accusations. I cited a recent poll for the basis of discussion, did you miss that part?

[Chuck_G]

The OP is nothing more than another attempt to smear the president with unfounded accusations.

It is? Maybe you should read it a little more closely because I am not smearing Obama with unfounded accusations. I cited a recent poll for the basis of discussion, did you miss that part?

No, I did not miss it. This thread just seemed like an appropriate place to list some of the unfounded accusations I have read throughout this forum. Are you saying you started this thread with a genuine interest of whether the guy is a Christian or not? This does not appear to be the case to me, maybe because of your disdain and hatred of the guy displayed throughout this forum. If I am mistaken I apologize for hijacking the thread.

[Flail]

In a recent poll conducted by some polling group, it said that 1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is actually a Muslim. Personally, I don't think he's a Muslim but I also do not think he is a Christian.

1) Is Obama a Christian or a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

2) What Do you think would lead 1 in 5 Americans to believe Obama is a Muslim? Please Support Your Answer

So long as he does not consult invisible supernatural beings in making policy, I have no concern over his supposed superstions or relgious beliefs. Whatever religious doctrines he parades to get elected is just part of the political election process. I have ample other reasons to campaign and vote against this inexperienced elitest in any event.