Faith-Based disaster solution fails

[DeBunkem]

Almost every state in the Bible belt...all of the old Confederacy are predominantly Fundamentalist Bible believers. they often say Jesus saved them when they survive a tornado or hurricane....who can question that? But what happens when they have no plausible deniability to the futility of prayer in stopping such as the mounting BP oil Chernobyl and ruin of the sacred treasure of the Gulf that they are supposed to be caretaking? Utter, complete failure.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/20/gu ... ns-prayer/

[East of Eden]

If He interceded whenever a 'wrong' choice were made, we wouldn't have free will. Sin had consequences, even for the innocent. From the point of veiw of eternity (where all will be make well), the present evil we endure is a blink of an eye.

So you saying that a hurricane that heading towards the Texas coast was a "wrong choice" made by humans? Or how about the earthquake in China? Or the Tornadoes that recently hit Ohio? Were those all "wrong choices" made by people?

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

[McCulloch]

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

This is more of a science question than a political one. Let's debate the assertion that The Fall affected Nature.

[chris_brown207]

If He interceded whenever a 'wrong' choice were made, we wouldn't have free will. Sin had consequences, even for the innocent. From the point of veiw of eternity (where all will be make well), the present evil we endure is a blink of an eye.

So you saying that a hurricane that heading towards the Texas coast was a "wrong choice" made by humans? Or how about the earthquake in China? Or the Tornadoes that recently hit Ohio? Were those all "wrong choices" made by people?

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

That is an interesting assertion, and I can't wait to see your supporting evidence to back up that assertion.

[East of Eden]

If He interceded whenever a 'wrong' choice were made, we wouldn't have free will. Sin had consequences, even for the innocent. From the point of veiw of eternity (where all will be make well), the present evil we endure is a blink of an eye.

So you saying that a hurricane that heading towards the Texas coast was a "wrong choice" made by humans? Or how about the earthquake in China? Or the Tornadoes that recently hit Ohio? Were those all "wrong choices" made by people?

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

That is an interesting assertion, and I can't wait to see your supporting evidence to back up that assertion.

See Genesis. You ARE on a religion forum.

[McCulloch]

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

That is an interesting assertion, and I can't wait to see your supporting evidence to back up that assertion.

See Genesis. You ARE on a religion forum.

So, the writer of Genesis, as interpreted by New Testament theology, claims that the first humans' error caused the fall, making a phenomenal impact on Nature. On this we agree.
Now show that your implied claim that this view is an accurate portrayal of reality. You ARE on a debating forum.

[WinePusher]

So, the writer of Genesis, as interpreted by New Testament theology, claims that the first humans' error caused the fall, making a phenomenal impact on Nature. On this we agree.
Now show that your implied claim that this view is an accurate portrayal of reality. You ARE on a debating forum.

Turn on the News. You'll see plently of stories about earthquakes, natural disasters, murders, genocide, etc.......................

[East of Eden]

The wrong choice was originally made my Adam and Eve which caused the fall, affecting nature.

That is an interesting assertion, and I can't wait to see your supporting evidence to back up that assertion.

See Genesis. You ARE on a religion forum.

So, the writer of Genesis, as interpreted by New Testament theology, claims that the first humans' error caused the fall, making a phenomenal impact on Nature. On this we agree.
Now show that your implied claim that this view is an accurate portrayal of reality. You ARE on a debating forum.

If you have evidence that the Biblical account is a made up conspiracy, let's hear it. You're also on a debating form. It's like if I said ancient accounts of Julius Caesar were a fabrication, prove me wrong.

[McCulloch]

Turn on the News. You'll see plently of stories about earthquakes, natural disasters, murders, genocide, etc.......................

Bad things happen. We agree. Do they happen because the primordial humans offended the god as has been claimed? I don't think so. But I am willing to look at any evidence that supports such a notion. Got any?

If you have evidence that the Biblical account is a made up conspiracy, let's hear it. You're also on a debating form.

I would provide such evidence if I had made such a claim. However, I am asking for supporting evidence that the Biblical account and its implications in the natural world are a true representation of reality.

prove me wrong.

All of the evidence from the sciences point to the fact that nature was not fundamentally different before humans were on the earth than after. Nature is, and continues to be, cruelly indifferent to suffering, pain and injustice.

[WinePusher]

Turn on the News. You'll see plently of stories about earthquakes, natural disasters, murders, genocide, etc.......................

Bad things happen. We agree. Do they happen because the primordial humans offended the god as has been claimed? I don't think so. But I am willing to look at any evidence that supports such a notion. Got any?

The premise which I am arguing is that the sins of Adam, the first man, led to our fall from grace and paradise. Evidence for this claim would be examples of evil in the world. The evil which exists in the world is particularly striking when it comes to the human race, the loin kills and eats the antelope because it is a chain of survival. However, you don't see the loin plotting the extermination of all antelopes because the loin posseses pre concieved prejudices; but you do see this with humans. The fact that "bad things happen" supports the biblical concept of sin.

[Guest]

Almost every state in the Bible belt...all of the old Confederacy are predominantly Fundamentalist Bible believers. they often say Jesus saved them when they survive a tornado or hurricane....who can question that? But what happens when they have no plausible deniability to the futility of prayer in stopping such as the mounting BP oil Chernobyl and ruin of the sacred treasure of the Gulf that they are supposed to be caretaking? Utter, complete failure.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/20/gu ... ns-prayer/

Well, I suspect you wont hear much of any "plausible deniability." Theres always way to justify how God answers and does not answer prayers. American Christianity is largely capitalist and self absorbed, which indicates it just functions out of what the framework of the nation allows it to. Not sure I understand why a legislative resolution would mean to the concept of prayer. Does a resolution make it more official? Is God saying "Oh no, guess I will have to answer this one cuz its on a legal document?" And its aimed at people of all religions. True fundamentalism does not embrace "others" as being legit, usually. But, I guess good PR is better then staying true to convictions.