US Constitution based on Christian Laws

[achilles12604]

In another thread Whirlwind wrote the following:

We are founded on Judaic/Christian values....not Islam.

This of course took the original thread off course and as such, I am starting a new topic here to investigate this claim.

The Constitution of the United States

Whirlwind, as you made the claim, I shall allow you to provide examples. If you do not provide examples sometime today (Assuming you are on later today), I will delve into this in the near future myself as I LOVE learning new things.

[chris_brown207]

Also, it is clear that someof the founding fathers were disgusted with religion after what it had done in Europe.

There is a difference in religion and God. I too am disgusted with religion but certainly not God.

The founding fathers make no such distinction... there are nor parts of the Constitution in which they say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... but God is okay".

You are the one making the distinction between God and religion, not the Constitution.

Really? The following quote was given above....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No laws are to be made to ESTABLISH a certain religion....such as Catholic, Protestant or Islam. AND NO LAWS are to be made to prohibit religions of choice.

Yes, thank you for furthering my point. The First Amendment guarantees our freedom of religion as well as FROM religion (whether that be Christianity, or Islam, etc.).

[DeBunkem]

Actually, the Constitution is more of an Enlightenment document, tying us more to the French than the British, who, after all, kept their monarchy. They sent us the statue of Liberty because of common Enlightenment bonds. Jeffereson was attacked by the religiose backwoods proto-republicans as that "Frenchman on the Potomac", and is incidentally downgraded by the churchified Texas schoolbook revisionists. This is probably due to his Separation Clause, which they would like us to forget.

[Classicus]

Also, it is clear that someof the founding fathers were disgusted with religion after what it had done in Europe.

There is a difference in religion and God. I too am disgusted with religion but certainly not God.

The founding fathers make no such distinction... there are nor parts of the Constitution in which they say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... but God is okay".

You are the one making the distinction between God and religion, not the Constitution.

Really? The following quote was given above....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No laws are to be made to ESTABLISH a certain religion....such as Catholic, Protestant or Islam. AND NO LAWS are to be made to prohibit religions of choice.

Yes but that doesn't mean they were pro-religion OR pro-god.
It only means they're pro-freedom of choice.

[JoeyKnothead]

Actually, the Constitution is more of an Enlightenment document, tying us more to the French than the British, who, after all, kept their monarchy. They sent us the statue of Liberty because of common Enlightenment bonds. Jeffereson was attacked by the religiose backwoods proto-republicans as that "Frenchman on the Potomac", and is incidentally downgraded by the churchified Texas schoolbook revisionists. This is probably due to his Separation Clause, which they would like us to forget.

+1

It's a shame when a dentist can control the history classes of a population.

[whirlwind]

Also, it is clear that someof the founding fathers were disgusted with religion after what it had done in Europe.

There is a difference in religion and God. I too am disgusted with religion but certainly not God.

The founding fathers make no such distinction... there are nor parts of the Constitution in which they say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... but God is okay".

You are the one making the distinction between God and religion, not the Constitution.

Really? The following quote was given above....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No laws are to be made to ESTABLISH a certain religion....such as Catholic, Protestant or Islam. AND NO LAWS are to be made to prohibit religions of choice.

Yes, thank you for furthering my point. The First Amendment guarantees our freedom of religion as well as FROM religion (whether that be Christianity, or Islam, etc.).

You're very welcome. It furthers both of our points. We are experiencing this life for a reason...to make a choice. God gives you the choice of free will. Our nation also gives you that choice. No laws are to be made either way. What law have you found ordering you to worship anyone?

[whirlwind]

Also, it is clear that someof the founding fathers were disgusted with religion after what it had done in Europe.

There is a difference in religion and God. I too am disgusted with religion but certainly not God.

The founding fathers make no such distinction... there are nor parts of the Constitution in which they say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... but God is okay".

You are the one making the distinction between God and religion, not the Constitution.

Really? The following quote was given above....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No laws are to be made to ESTABLISH a certain religion....such as Catholic, Protestant or Islam. AND NO LAWS are to be made to prohibit religions of choice.

Yes but that doesn't mean they were pro-religion OR pro-god.
It only means they're pro-freedom of choice.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[ChaosBorders]

Actually, the Constitution is more of an Enlightenment document, tying us more to the French than the British, who, after all, kept their monarchy. They sent us the statue of Liberty because of common Enlightenment bonds. Jeffereson was attacked by the religiose backwoods proto-republicans as that "Frenchman on the Potomac", and is incidentally downgraded by the churchified Texas schoolbook revisionists. This is probably due to his Separation Clause, which they would like us to forget.

+1

It's a shame when a dentist can control the history classes of a population.

I apologize on behalf of all Texans who would like the conservative members of our school board to jump in a lake.

[chris_brown207]

You're very welcome. It furthers both of our points. We are experiencing this life for a reason...to make a choice. God gives you the choice of free will. Our nation also gives you that choice. No laws are to be made either way. What law have you found ordering you to worship anyone?

There are no laws requiring us a citizens to worship any one god - but there have been laws to have directly violated the First Amendment which prohibits government from "respecting any establishment of religion".

Laws such as "National Prayer Day", or teaching "Intelligent Design" in schools are just a few quick and recent examples.

P.s. Which god were you referring to? Zeus, Odin, Rah, Ganesh, Vishnu, Allah, Thor, Apollo, Sita, L Ron Hubbard, Catequil, FSM, the Pink Unicorn, or any of the countless other gods and goddesses that we as a species have worshiped throughout our brief history on this planet?

[whirlwind]

You're very welcome. It furthers both of our points. We are experiencing this life for a reason...to make a choice. God gives you the choice of free will. Our nation also gives you that choice. No laws are to be made either way. What law have you found ordering you to worship anyone?

There are no laws requiring us a citizens to worship any one god - but there have been laws to have directly violated the First Amendment which prohibits government from "respecting any establishment of religion".

Laws such as "National Prayer Day", or teaching "Intelligent Design" in schools are just a few quick and recent examples.

P.s. Which god were you referring to? Zeus, Odin, Rah, Ganesh, Vishnu, Allah, Thor, Apollo, Sita, L Ron Hubbard, Catequil, FSM, the Pink Unicorn, or any of the countless other gods and goddesses that we as a species have worshiped throughout our brief history on this planet?

Your examples and understanding are not correct for....do the laws you see establish "a" religion? Does "prayer day" establish "a" religion?

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion. Intelligent design is truth and should certainly be taught in school. If atheists wish to place the THEORY OF evolution, where an ape becomes a man, beside truth then...they're free to do so.

In regards to your version of the First Amendment...please reread what is actually written....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Rather than your version of, "respecting any establishment of religion," it is written, "respecting an establishment of religion." Funny what the improper addition of a "y" can do to the meaning.

PS: The only GOD, who is the One I refer to always is.....

Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

[perfessor]

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion.

Wait, what?? I mean, really. By what definition is Christianity not a religion? Simply because you say it's true?

I guess we can pass a law that the president must be Christian, because, you know, the "no religious test" clause doesn't apply to Christianity.

Ridiculous.