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Switzerland set to ba Islamic Minarets

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Switerzland have just voted and exit polls suggest that they have voted for a ban on the building of islamic minarets.

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One reason for the proposed ban given is that Sharia law is incompatible with Swiss Democracy.

Is this correct? Or are the Swiss guilty of descrimination?

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VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:Many people just simply don't want change, they want their country to remain their country.
It is rank bigotry to suggest that a country that allows minarets ceases to be 'their' country just as it was rank bigotry to suggest that a Reich that allows Juden ceases to be 'their' Reich.
I'm just providing a possible reason for the vote. When people see Islamic buildings being built, then they see their country changing (unless it's an Islamic country of course).

I think the current opinion of Islam is also a factor - it is spreading fast across Europe, and while that may not be a "bad" thing, it's certainly unwanted by many, as shown in this ban on minarets.
Minaret is only a symbol, even if they ban, would it stop spreading of Islam? there are many Masjids in muslim countries, which dont have minaret as well.
Its you can say a tradition, sign and heritage of Arab culture.

Seems you are afraid of spread of Islam and rights giving to muslims:)

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TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:Many people just simply don't want change, they want their country to remain their country.
It is rank bigotry to suggest that a country that allows minarets ceases to be 'their' country just as it was rank bigotry to suggest that a Reich that allows Juden ceases to be 'their' Reich.
I'm just providing a possible reason for the vote. When people see Islamic buildings being built, then they see their country changing (unless it's an Islamic country of course).

I think the current opinion of Islam is also a factor - it is spreading fast across Europe, and while that may not be a "bad" thing, it's certainly unwanted by many, as shown in this ban on minarets.
Minaret is only a symbol, even if they ban, would it stop spreading of Islam? there are many Masjids in muslim countries, which dont have minaret as well.
Its you can say a tradition, sign and heritage of Arab culture.

Seems you are afraid of spread of Islam and rights giving to muslims:)
Like I said, I was just giving a possible explanation for the ban, nothing more. Of course you cannot prevent the spread of Islam, because it is an ideal, a path of life - it is not a physical thing that one can just stop.

However, in voting to ban minarets, the people are voicing their opinion on Islam in their country.
The article explaning the vote wrote:More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban.
In this case, that opinion seems to be that they do not want Islamic symbolism/icons in their country.

You also have to consider that the most dominant religion in Switzerland is Christianity - so that will go some way as to explain why the ban was voted for.

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VermilionUK wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:Many people just simply don't want change, they want their country to remain their country.
It is rank bigotry to suggest that a country that allows minarets ceases to be 'their' country just as it was rank bigotry to suggest that a Reich that allows Juden ceases to be 'their' Reich.
I'm just providing a possible reason for the vote. When people see Islamic buildings being built, then they see their country changing (unless it's an Islamic country of course).

I think the current opinion of Islam is also a factor - it is spreading fast across Europe, and while that may not be a "bad" thing, it's certainly unwanted by many, as shown in this ban on minarets.
Minaret is only a symbol, even if they ban, would it stop spreading of Islam? there are many Masjids in muslim countries, which dont have minaret as well.
Its you can say a tradition, sign and heritage of Arab culture.

Seems you are afraid of spread of Islam and rights giving to muslims:)
Like I said, I was just giving a possible explanation for the ban, nothing more. Of course you cannot prevent the spread of Islam, because it is an ideal, a path of life - it is not a physical thing that one can just stop.

However, in voting to ban minarets, the people are voicing their opinion on Islam in their country.
The article explaning the vote wrote:More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban.
In this case, that opinion seems to be that they do not want Islamic symbolism/icons in their country.

You also have to consider that the most dominant religion in Switzerland is Christianity - so that will go some way as to explain why the ban was voted for.
So this is a clear case of racism and people are afraid of Islam.
Or in simple people, christians are against Islam , but what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
As per christians, the torture and hard-time to Jesus was given by Israelis, (Jews), not muslims, so they hate muslims?

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TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:Many people just simply don't want change, they want their country to remain their country.
It is rank bigotry to suggest that a country that allows minarets ceases to be 'their' country just as it was rank bigotry to suggest that a Reich that allows Juden ceases to be 'their' Reich.
I'm just providing a possible reason for the vote. When people see Islamic buildings being built, then they see their country changing (unless it's an Islamic country of course).

I think the current opinion of Islam is also a factor - it is spreading fast across Europe, and while that may not be a "bad" thing, it's certainly unwanted by many, as shown in this ban on minarets.
Minaret is only a symbol, even if they ban, would it stop spreading of Islam? there are many Masjids in muslim countries, which dont have minaret as well.
Its you can say a tradition, sign and heritage of Arab culture.

Seems you are afraid of spread of Islam and rights giving to muslims:)
Like I said, I was just giving a possible explanation for the ban, nothing more. Of course you cannot prevent the spread of Islam, because it is an ideal, a path of life - it is not a physical thing that one can just stop.

However, in voting to ban minarets, the people are voicing their opinion on Islam in their country.
The article explaning the vote wrote:More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban.
In this case, that opinion seems to be that they do not want Islamic symbolism/icons in their country.

You also have to consider that the most dominant religion in Switzerland is Christianity - so that will go some way as to explain why the ban was voted for.
So this is a clear case of racism and people are afraid of Islam.
Or in simple people, christians are against Islam , but what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
As per christians, the torture and hard-time to Jesus was given by Israelis, (Jews), not muslims, so they hate muslims?
Woah, slow down there pal. I don't know whether English is your second language, but I didn't say that anyone "hated" muslims - you jumped to that conclusion all by yourself. I suggest you read what I posted again.

The people who voted probably don't "hate" Muslims, but they just don't want Islamic constructions in their country. Similarly, I don't "hate" Gypsies, but I don't want their caravans to pull up in my town.

You've got to remember that in the 21st Century many countries are becoming more multi-cultural, but many people want to keep their country the way it was.

TrueReligion wrote:what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
Read the article posted in the OP. Here's a part that might answer your question
That article wrote:Supporters of the ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.

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TrueReligion wrote:So this is a clear case of racism and people are afraid of Islam.
Or in simple people, christians are against Islam , but what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
As per christians, the torture and hard-time to Jesus was given by Israelis, (Jews), not muslims, so they hate muslims?
Unfortunately it seems that muslims expect and are generally given more rights in predominantly non-muslim countries than non-muslims are given in islamic countries. For example, most countries have no laws that state that a muslim woman cannot wear traditional islamic dress (exceptions may or may not be made when having photos taken for passports, drivers licenses etc) but in most islamic countries non-muslim women are required to wear some degree of cover even though it is not required by their respective religion.

In Australia there is complaints that public holidays are not given for islamic holidays and the muslim community fail to see that if public holidays were given for every religious day then the country would never be at work. The religion itself is not banned and never will be but people in any religion must respect that the major religion that the country follows is going to have more sway than minor religions. Noone is stopping anyone from praying but they are restricting the impact of "other" religions on the country's identity which was built on Christianity. I am not christian but I have no problem with countries that have based their identity on a particular religion to keep with that identity. I do not expect Islamic countries to change their ways either.

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firechild wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:So this is a clear case of racism and people are afraid of Islam.
Or in simple people, christians are against Islam , but what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
As per christians, the torture and hard-time to Jesus was given by Israelis, (Jews), not muslims, so they hate muslims?
Unfortunately it seems that muslims expect and are generally given more rights in predominantly non-muslim countries than non-muslims are given in islamic countries. For example, most countries have no laws that state that a muslim woman cannot wear traditional islamic dress (exceptions may or may not be made when having photos taken for passports, drivers licenses etc) but in most islamic countries non-muslim women are required to wear some degree of cover even though it is not required by their respective religion.

In Australia there is complaints that public holidays are not given for islamic holidays and the muslim community fail to see that if public holidays were given for every religious day then the country would never be at work. The religion itself is not banned and never will be but people in any religion must respect that the major religion that the country follows is going to have more sway than minor religions. Noone is stopping anyone from praying but they are restricting the impact of "other" religions on the country's identity which was built on Christianity. I am not christian but I have no problem with countries that have based their identity on a particular religion to keep with that identity. I do not expect Islamic countries to change their ways either.
In Islamic countries, non-muslims living gets their respective religious holidays.
Now talking about clothing, moderate dress is required in Islamic countries, which I guess is not something bad, ofcourse many non-muslim countries wear moderate dress and its the moral law of those countries.
Further, moderate dress is in every religion, whether christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc etc.. and its in the scripture.
Problem is that other relgions dont follow anymore their scripture, its not Muslims problem that non-muslims dont follow their scripture.
Muslims follow, and justification is given always for moderate dress, which is accepted by every1.
So I dont think wats the point of baning Islamic Minarets , and discussing it with Muslim countries dress code and religious freedom

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VermilionUK wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:
Jayhawker Soule wrote:
VermilionUK wrote:Many people just simply don't want change, they want their country to remain their country.
It is rank bigotry to suggest that a country that allows minarets ceases to be 'their' country just as it was rank bigotry to suggest that a Reich that allows Juden ceases to be 'their' Reich.
I'm just providing a possible reason for the vote. When people see Islamic buildings being built, then they see their country changing (unless it's an Islamic country of course).

I think the current opinion of Islam is also a factor - it is spreading fast across Europe, and while that may not be a "bad" thing, it's certainly unwanted by many, as shown in this ban on minarets.
Minaret is only a symbol, even if they ban, would it stop spreading of Islam? there are many Masjids in muslim countries, which dont have minaret as well.
Its you can say a tradition, sign and heritage of Arab culture.

Seems you are afraid of spread of Islam and rights giving to muslims:)
Like I said, I was just giving a possible explanation for the ban, nothing more. Of course you cannot prevent the spread of Islam, because it is an ideal, a path of life - it is not a physical thing that one can just stop.

However, in voting to ban minarets, the people are voicing their opinion on Islam in their country.
The article explaning the vote wrote:More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban.
In this case, that opinion seems to be that they do not want Islamic symbolism/icons in their country.

You also have to consider that the most dominant religion in Switzerland is Christianity - so that will go some way as to explain why the ban was voted for.
So this is a clear case of racism and people are afraid of Islam.
Or in simple people, christians are against Islam , but what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
As per christians, the torture and hard-time to Jesus was given by Israelis, (Jews), not muslims, so they hate muslims?
Woah, slow down there pal. I don't know whether English is your second language, but I didn't say that anyone "hated" muslims - you jumped to that conclusion all by yourself. I suggest you read what I posted again.

What language has to do with this:) you posted that "the majority of religious population is christians, and that say why the ban is for", what does it mean thn can you explain?
Next time be on topic please rather thn giving personal remarks, as its not allowed and un-ethical in a debate:)


The people who voted probably don't "hate" Muslims, but they just don't want Islamic constructions in their country. Similarly, I don't "hate" Gypsies, but I don't want their caravans to pull up in my town.

You've got to remember that in the 21st Century many countries are becoming more multi-cultural, but many people want to keep their country the way it was.

Thats what you have to explain my friend, you said its 21st century, so what 21st century has to do with Minaret ban? is it writen in some New World order or in UN Resolution?
Also you said that most countries are becoming multi-cultural, but this ban on Minaret is against multi-culture:)
Why your statements are very weak always and contradict of what you say??

TrueReligion wrote:what is the reason that they are against Islam? any idea?
Read the article posted in the OP. Here's a part that might answer your question
That article wrote:Supporters of the ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.
And how does a minaret represent idealogy and sharia law? Minaret is just a building monument and design:) y are they so much afraid its still not answered

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And how does a minaret represent idealogy and sharia law? Minaret is just a building monument and design:) y are they so much afraid its still not answered
one reason why they may not have wanted minarets is that it threatens their national identity. Their architecture looks a certain way - Swiss. They want it to stay looking Swiss, because its Switzerland, and as a nation, they want to continue looking like Switzerland.
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FinalEnigma wrote:
And how does a minaret represent idealogy and sharia law? Minaret is just a building monument and design:) y are they so much afraid its still not answered
one reason why they may not have wanted minarets is that it threatens their national identity. Their architecture looks a certain way - Swiss.
Have you ever been to Switzerland?

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Jayhawker Soule wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
And how does a minaret represent idealogy and sharia law? Minaret is just a building monument and design:) y are they so much afraid its still not answered
one reason why they may not have wanted minarets is that it threatens their national identity. Their architecture looks a certain way - Swiss.
Have you ever been to Switzerland?
The entire phrase was theoretical. Allow me to rephrase for pickiness.

One reason why they may not have wanted minarets is that they might perceive it to threaten their national identity.

Does this satisfy?
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