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[tatty]

What is your opinion of Hamas being called to the ICC?

Is the amount of force used by Israel a war crime or justified retaliation?

[Goat]

Ok fair enough - I stand corrected on the location of the shelling (albeit by a matter of metres).

So the shells landed just outside the school. So? It's pretty risky and disrespectful to shell just outside of a school - and 43 civilians were still killed. Killing civialians is in violation of international law.

Like I said, I think thats enough for a trial at least.

So, you think Tony Blair and George Bush jr should be put on trial for killing civilians in Iraq?

What triggered the attack was shoulder fired missiles being launched from that area.

It violates international law if a nation kills civilians. If someone breaks that law, punishment should result - that is how laws work, they have to be enforced.

It doesnt seem that law is being enforced, period, in any conflict around the world, period.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Also, if we consider Israeli bombings of UN schools, even after they were told which schools were UN schools - I think thats enough for a trial at least.

No, it is not. Parenthetically ...

Well, i did say I think thats enough for a trial at least.

Ok fair enough - I stand corrected on the location of the shelling (albeit by a matter of metres).

So the shells landed just outside the school. So? It's pretty risky and disrespectful to shell just outside of a school - and 43 civilians were still killed. Killing civialians is in violation of international law.

Like I said, I think thats enough for a trial at least.

(What a despicable joke ... )

[tatty]

Ok fair enough - I stand corrected on the location of the shelling (albeit by a matter of metres).

So the shells landed just outside the school. So? It's pretty risky and disrespectful to shell just outside of a school - and 43 civilians were still killed. Killing civialians is in violation of international law.

Like I said, I think thats enough for a trial at least.

So, you think Tony Blair and George Bush jr should be put on trial for killing civilians in Iraq?

What triggered the attack was shoulder fired missiles being launched from that area.

It violates international law if a nation kills civilians. If someone breaks that law, punishment should result - that is how laws work, they have to be enforced.

It doesnt seem that law is being enforced, period, in any conflict around the world, period.

Very true, but that's the nature of international law, it is totally unenforceable. Due to state sovereignty it's up to any nation to decide if they want to obey them, with no consequence other than a cruel look or the occasional sanction.

[VermilionUK]

Ok fair enough - I stand corrected on the location of the shelling (albeit by a matter of metres).

So the shells landed just outside the school. So? It's pretty risky and disrespectful to shell just outside of a school - and 43 civilians were still killed. Killing civialians is in violation of international law.

Like I said, I think thats enough for a trial at least.

So, you think Tony Blair and George Bush jr should be put on trial for killing civilians in Iraq?

What triggered the attack was shoulder fired missiles being launched from that area.

It violates international law if a nation kills civilians. If someone breaks that law, punishment should result - that is how laws work, they have to be enforced.

It doesnt seem that law is being enforced, period, in any conflict around the world, period.

You're very correct, it isn't being enforced - but it should be enforced. It's not enough to have these laws in place if nations are allowed to routinely violate them with no apparent consequence.

The current state of international laws aren't doing good enough to protect civilians - it's no use saying "naughty boy, don't do it again" when a country/nation violates such laws. It allows widespread attrocities.

International law should be just that - international - but it seems that international law is only recognised when a country wants to recognise it, which is a shame...

[Jayhawker Soule]

That you are qualitatively more fixated on trying Israel than delegitimizing Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism says everything that needs to be said about your contribution to the conflict.

[VermilionUK]

That you are qualitatively more fixated on trying Israel than delegitimizing Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism says everything that needs to be said about your contribution to the conflict.

Is it possible for a person to criticise Israel without being hounded down?

Like I've said mulitple times; both sides have violated international law, and both sides should be punished.

The reason that I have leaned more towards Israel is that they are a democracy, we expect them to be setting an example, but instead they lower themselves to acts of civilian murder, but then blame Hamas/Hezbollah. Did Hamas/Hezbollah send the bombs on the area near a UN school in January 2009? Did Hamas/Hezbollah force Israel to use phosphorus?


I am by no means in favour of Hamas or Hezbollah; what they do is disgraceful, but Israel is not as innocent as many believe. It seems you are unwilling to accept that Israel can do wrong.....

[Jayhawker Soule]

That you are qualitatively more fixated on trying Israel than delegitimizing Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism says everything that needs to be said about your contribution to the conflict.

Is it possible for a person to criticise Israel without being hounded down?

Absolutely. What does that have to do with you?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Did Hamas/Hezbollah send the bombs on the area near a UN school in January 2009?

Ask Imad Abu Asker and Hassan Abu Asker.

[VermilionUK]

That you are qualitatively more fixated on trying Israel than delegitimizing Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism says everything that needs to be said about your contribution to the conflict.

Is it possible for a person to criticise Israel without being hounded down?

Absolutely. What does that have to do with you?

Every comment I make that criticises Israel in some form is almost immediately followed up by another comment from someone (such as yourself) that indicates I am only focused on blaming Israel - and no matter how many times I say both sides, it seems some individuals see the words Israel and punishment and instantly go on the defensive, or suggest ignorance on my part.

From stating that Israel should be punished and that the UN should step in, I am responded to by comments such as;

I know precisely what you want

I am "hinting" that you serve as a Hamas apologist who casually distorts based on bias.

There's no need for this - it shows disrespect and I would expect a member of a site such as this would know better than to throw out accusations that are completely ignorant.

So, allow me to state for what is perhaps the 20th time: both sides are deserving of punishment.

I am not suggesting one side is worse than the other, but it is the lack of acknowledgement of Israel's actions which I find worrying....

[Jayhawker Soule]

That you are qualitatively more fixated on trying Israel than delegitimizing Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism says everything that needs to be said about your contribution to the conflict.

Is it possible for a person to criticise Israel without being hounded down?

Absolutely. What does that have to do with you?

Every comment I make that criticises Israel ...

... asserts a moral equivalency reflecting a political agenda and focus based on willfull ignorance at best.