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[Damnsloppy]

Well, I'm a 40 year old Christian that is also a scientist (I run a small lab (mostly wet chemistry)), NOT a "Christian Scientist". And yes, I have heard the "You can't believe in God, you're a scientist!" bit on more than one occasion.

I haven't always been a Christian, at one time I was an atheist (college years and shortly thereafter), then an agnostic (from about 25 to 35 years old) and later a Christian (last five years or so).

I didn't decide on Christianity lightly, I have read both the Bible and the Qur’an as well as several other religious writings. That being said, I don't believe Christianity to be the only path, just the best path for me. And for those "I am the way and the Light, none come unto the Father except by Me" people, I believe that to be a promise of inclusion not a threat of exclusion.

Anyway, I was perfectly happy as an agnostic and then my wife went back to school. I helped her write a research paper on evolution, and being somewhat older and more critical than I was the last time I had visited the subject, I realized it wasn't as explanatory of the fossil record as I had previously thought and that there was indeed evidence of intelligence at work after the big bang or whatever started it all. No, none of that made it into the paper and my wife received an "A" on the final product. So, that's what precipitated my journey into organized religion.

I believe the following assertions can be defended logically and evidentially:
1) God Exists
2) The Bible is the Word of God to some degree of accuracy. (The precise degree of accuracy I haven't determined, yet.)
3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind.

So, I'll be focusing on these 3 as time permits, I am married with kids and have a full time job as well as on a hazmat team, so I can't alway's take time to post.

[OnceConvinced]

Welcome damnsloppy. Good to have you with us.

[bernee51]

Well, I'm a 40 year old Christian that is also a scientist (I run a small lab (mostly wet chemistry)), NOT a "Christian Scientist". And yes, I have heard the "You can't believe in God, you're a scientist!" bit on more than one occasion.

I haven't always been a Christian, at one time I was an atheist (college years and shortly thereafter), then an agnostic (from about 25 to 35 years old) and later a Christian (last five years or so).

I didn't decide on Christianity lightly, I have read both the Bible and the Qur’an as well as several other religious writings. That being said, I don't believe Christianity to be the only path, just the best path for me. And for those "I am the way and the Light, none come unto the Father except by Me" people, I believe that to be a promise of inclusion not a threat of exclusion.

Anyway, I was perfectly happy as an agnostic and then my wife went back to school. I helped her write a research paper on evolution, and being somewhat older and more critical than I was the last time I had visited the subject, I realized it wasn't as explanatory of the fossil record as I had previously thought and that there was indeed evidence of intelligence at work after the big bang or whatever started it all. No, none of that made it into the paper and my wife received an "A" on the final product. So, that's what precipitated my journey into organized religion.

I believe the following assertions can be defended logically and evidentially:
1) God Exists
2) The Bible is the Word of God to some degree of accuracy. (The precise degree of accuracy I haven't determined, yet.)
3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind.

So, I'll be focusing on these 3 as time permits, I am married with kids and have a full time job as well as on a hazmat team, so I can't alway's take time to post.

Welcome DS

I look forward to seeing how a scientist can support (logically and evidentially) the three statements you make.

I assert and can defend logically:

1) there is no need, reason or evidence of any god.
2) The Bible is as much the Word of God as any other 'sacred text' (of which thre are thousands).
3) The Jesus stories of the gospels are mythical.

[Zzyzx]

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Hi Damnsloppy,

Can we call you Damn for short or would you prefer sloppy – or just DS? Hopefully neither of the terms applies to your thinking or writing.

This should be interesting. We will be adversaries in most discussions but may find many areas of agreement aside from supernaturalism. I have a science background (Earth science college teaching) and am non-theistic (or Ignostic) – and am almost thirty years your senior. I have been retired since I was your age.

It is a bit uncommon but not rare to encounter scientific people who are religious. The two are not mutually exclusive (except perhaps in fanatical forms). I have known several people who fit the description.

Did your formal studies include advanced courses in genetics?

I am particularly interested in your claim to be able to defend logically and evidentially that god exists. Perhaps it would be appropriate to start a thread on that topic in Christianity and Apologetics.

I look forward to your posts.


Zzyzx

[catalyst]

Well, I'm a 40 year old Christian that is also a scientist (I run a small lab (mostly wet chemistry)), NOT a "Christian Scientist". And yes, I have heard the "You can't believe in God, you're a scientist!" bit on more than one occasion.

I haven't always been a Christian, at one time I was an atheist (college years and shortly thereafter), then an agnostic (from about 25 to 35 years old) and later a Christian (last five years or so).

I didn't decide on Christianity lightly, I have read both the Bible and the Qur’an as well as several other religious writings. That being said, I don't believe Christianity to be the only path, just the best path for me. And for those "I am the way and the Light, none come unto the Father except by Me" people, I believe that to be a promise of inclusion not a threat of exclusion.

Anyway, I was perfectly happy as an agnostic and then my wife went back to school. I helped her write a research paper on evolution, and being somewhat older and more critical than I was the last time I had visited the subject, I realized it wasn't as explanatory of the fossil record as I had previously thought and that there was indeed evidence of intelligence at work after the big bang or whatever started it all. No, none of that made it into the paper and my wife received an "A" on the final product. So, that's what precipitated my journey into organized religion.

I believe the following assertions can be defended logically and evidentially:
1) God Exists
2) The Bible is the Word of God to some degree of accuracy. (The precise degree of accuracy I haven't determined, yet.)
3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind.

So, I'll be focusing on these 3 as time permits, I am married with kids and have a full time job as well as on a hazmat team, so I can't alway's take time to post.

Welcome Damnsloppy

As others have stated, I too look forward to your showing your assertions of:

1) God Exists
2) The Bible is the Word of God to some degree of accuracy. (The precise degree of accuracy I haven't determined, yet.)
3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind.

It should be interesting.

It too would be interesting to know which other religious writings you have explored other than the Qu'ran and the Bible.

Catalyst.

[justifyothers]

HI
Welcome to the forum!!!

I am most excited to hear your thoughts. Please jump in ASAP. I'm sure your views will be a refreshing addition to the forum.

[Damnsloppy]

Thank you for your kind welcomes!


Sorry it took so long to get back. Busy, busy, busy busy.

[Confused]

Welcome to the forum Damnsloppy. I look forward to you input and hope to see some new views in old topics.

[Troyzer]

Dear all,

I am new here, this in fact is my first post. Officially I have no religion, but I don't think I am an atheist as well, I came to this forum with the hope to explore more about Christianity, or other religions if anyone would like to discuss about it.

Damnsloppy said,

1) God Exists
2) The Bible is the Word of God to some degree of accuracy. (The precise degree of accuracy I haven't determined, yet.)
3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind.

1) Personally, from my various readings of different sources and religions, to me it seems like there is a presence of one mysterious source energy, God is just a thought and idea that we human try to personify that source. That source is beyond human description and understanding, all the discussions will only conceptualize it, however, the source can be and has been repeatedly experienced by people from different religions, in other words, religions are merely tools for we human to link back to that source, but in order to do so, we ultimately need to go pass the Christian church, go pass Jesus Christ, go pass the Buddha, go pass the Mosque, our god is the final obstacle for us to see God, because the god that we have in our mind is just a concept, but to see God we need to give away all the concepts in order to gain a direct experience.

2) Jesus spoke Aramaic, New Testaments were written in Greek, further translated into Latin and English. The Testaments were written many years after the crucification of Jesus Christ, and scribes who copied them again made many intentional alterations and unintentional mistakes along the way. Basically, we do not have the original words now. Based on what can we determine the accuracy of them?

3) Jesus was the sacrifice for all mankind, sacrifice is based on the concept of Original Sin, what if there is no Original Sin? Our existence is just as it is, not a sin at all?

Troy

[OnceConvinced]

Hi Troyser and welcome. You may get more discussion on this topic if you start a new thread and quote DS from there.