Male abortion?

[Evales]

This question is directed to people who think that abortion is a right of a woman. That she should have a choice.

If you are going to debate in this topic I would like you to debate within the hypothetical world where the woman has a choice of abortion.

So to continue
If a woman has the right to abort then why does the man not? If a woman chooses to have the baby who are we to force the man to pay child support. To people created this child. How come only one person has the right to remove it?

I propose that men should have the right to abort from a pregnancy. When having sex both partners should know that should they conceive the other has the right of removal just as much as them.

Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

[C-Nub]

Well, just to be clear on terms, I think the right of 'abortion' is definitely the wrong term to apply to the parental rights of the father. The father should not have any say in whether or not the child is carried to term or medically-aborted. My answer, when asked my opinion on abortion in general, has always been that I cannot get pregnant, will never provide a home for a developing fetus, and am in no way entitled to any pretense of an informed opinion. I will never have to face that responsibility, and not being able to properly identify or empathize with the feelings that would go with that, I abstain from making any sort of definitive answer, from holding a position on either side of that argument.


So, I guess what you're asking is, should the father have the option of having nothing to do with their child. It's a tough question to answer because both answers have very valuable points. I am a father, as well as the son of a single parent in which the father did pay child support, and I know it helped, but it was also a point of contention for both my mother and my father in dealing with each other. I am a single dad, and my ex and I share responsibilities and time, and the only financial arrangement is that we contribute equally to the daycare fees. That's it.

If the father doesn't want the child and the mother insists upon having it, well, I think there's a case to be made for the father not paying anything for it, but that really depends on the attempts made at birth-control. Pregnancy, parenthood and the associated costs and consequences are all part of having sex, it's the risk you run, and the guy shouldn't be given a free pass in the event that the woman cannot morally reconcile herself to that which she sees as murder.

It's a good question, but I don't think there's an answer on either side of the argument that fully reflects my point of view, and instead I'm going to have to give a wuss answer, and suggest that this is a question to be asked on a case-by-case basis, and not just in general.

[Evales]

Well, just to be clear on terms, I think the right of 'abortion' is definitely the wrong term to apply to the parental rights of the father. The father should not have any say in whether or not the child is carried to term or medically-aborted. My answer, when asked my opinion on abortion in general, has always been that I cannot get pregnant, will never provide a home for a developing fetus, and am in no way entitled to any pretense of an informed opinion. I will never have to face that responsibility, and not being able to properly identify or empathize with the feelings that would go with that, I abstain from making any sort of definitive answer, from holding a position on either side of that argument.

Yes, I'm not saying that the father has the right to force the woman into abortion that would be restricting the rights of another and would defeat the purpose of the OP XD

So, I guess what you're asking is, should the father have the option of having nothing to do with their child. It's a tough question to answer because both answers have very valuable points. I am a father, as well as the son of a single parent in which the father did pay child support, and I know it helped, but it was also a point of contention for both my mother and my father in dealing with each other. I am a single dad, and my ex and I share responsibilities and time, and the only financial arrangement is that we contribute equally to the daycare fees. That's it.

If the father does not pay child support is there not a single parents income?

If the father doesn't want the child and the mother insists upon having it, well, I think there's a case to be made for the father not paying anything for it, but that really depends on the attempts made at birth-control. Pregnancy, parenthood and the associated costs and consequences are all part of having sex, it's the risk you run, and the guy shouldn't be given a free pass in the event that the woman cannot morally reconcile herself to that which she sees as murder.

Of course this would depend on how both the male AND the female do to in terms of contraception. I think most people would agree that if the man and woman don't use any contraception willingly abortion as the contraception is wrong. But how many do?

It's a good question, but I don't think there's an answer on either side of the argument that fully reflects my point of view, and instead I'm going to have to give a wuss answer, and suggest that this is a question to be asked on a case-by-case basis, and not just in general.

Sadly nothing can go case by case when it comes to rights.

[Flail]

Good question.

If the prosepective parents are unmarried...ie,no social contract between them,then the father, by planting his seed has abdicated his right to a voice in the mother's ultimate decision....the father is aware when he gifts his seed,of the consequences....

A marriage should be more than a ceremony and a ritual...it should be a detailed contract in writing,outlining all agreement on the issues of the relationship including the birth of children and abortion....then if the contract is breached, a cause of action would be available.

IMO,aborting a fetus is not killing a child and should be left up to individuals to determine without any government interference....a fetus is not a person,but rather an organism...without name,social security number or social status....laws should govern citizens and a fetus is not a citizen.

[Evales]

If the prosepective parents are unmarried...ie,no social contract between them,then the father, by planting his seed has abdicated his right to a voice in the mother's ultimate decision....the father is aware when he gifts his seed,of the consequences....

The same can be said for the mother and yet (hypothetically) she has the right to abort it he does not (so to speak).

If the father was told that he was barren and this was the only chance he had, and she didn't want to go through labor she ultimately has the decision. While I'm not saying take this away I would say perhaps the male should have some sort of right to leave as well...

[Zzyzx]

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Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

As C-Nub suggests, I might rephrase the question.

No matter how it is asked, however, the basic question is "Who Pays?"

Typically the person who wants something pays for it. With the knowledge and birth control techniques available today the only excuses for unwanted pregnancy are willful ignorance and carelessness.

When pregnancy does occur, I regard all further decisions in that regard to be the woman's right and responsibility -- with consideration for the wishes of the father (but still ultimately the woman's responsibility).

[guy fawkes]

This question is directed to people who think that abortion is a right of a woman. That she should have a choice.

If you are going to debate in this topic I would like you to debate within the hypothetical world where the woman has a choice of abortion.

So to continue
If a woman has the right to abort then why does the man not? If a woman chooses to have the baby who are we to force the man to pay child support. To people created this child. How come only one person has the right to remove it?

I propose that men should have the right to abort from a pregnancy. When having sex both partners should know that should they conceive the other has the right of removal just as much as them.

Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

My opinion, which may not be related to the topic (its a bit of a confusing topic I guess) is:

If a woman would want to keep the child (for example), but the man not, then he is not obligated to pay child support, but loses the right to have any claims for the child.

If a man wants her to have an abortion, but she does not, once again, then he will not have any responsobility and she is completely 100% responsible for the child if born.

The man would not have any right (as any Theist would have no right preventing any person from having an abortion, its their body), but the legal aspects need to be adjusted as I pointed out.

[ravenssong]

Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

They do it's called signing over their rights.

[Zzyzx]

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Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

They do it's called signing over their rights.

Kindly explain in detail what you mean by this.

[ravenssong]

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Question for debate:
Should men have the right to abortion?
Why/ Why not?

They do it's called signing over their rights.

Kindly explain in detail what you mean by this.

I meant that if a man chooses to have no contact, responsibility for, or interaction with his child, he can sign his paternal rights over the mother, at least in Washington State. Granted he has no say in weather or not said child can be born, until men endure pregnancy and labor this will be solely the right of the mother, but after the birth he always has a choice in his level of involvement.