Jesus believing Jews?

[Truth_Teller]

Recently I have been stuck to one topic. That is, "Did Jesus fulfill The Messianic Prophecies?"

No no, I do not want to have any explanation on the fulfilfment of those Prophecies by any Christians as they have totally failed to impress me one bit even. It´s mostly for the fact being that they believe him as to be God and that, I´m afraid, doesn´t help the cause at all.

However, I´m more interested in knowing the point of view on fulfillments of Prophecies those who only believe Jesus as to be their Messiah and not God.

My question is: Is there any such religious community? If yes then what´s their name? Most probably, I guess, they have got to be Messiah-believing Jews.

Can anyone give me any link to read their view on Jesus being the right foretold Messiah?

I will be very grateful if provided with any help.

[Goat]

Recently I have been stuck to one topic. That is, "Did Jesus fulfill The Messianic Prophecies?"

No no, I do not want to have any explanation on the fulfilfment of those Prophecies by any Christians as they have totally failed to impress me one bit even. It´s mostly for the fact being that they believe him as to be God and that, I´m afraid, doesn´t help the cause at all.

However, I´m more interested in knowing the point of view on fulfillments of Prophecies those who only believe Jesus as to be their Messiah and not God.

My question is: Is there any such religious community? If yes then what´s their name? Most probably, I guess, they have got to be Messiah-believing Jews.

Can anyone give me any link to read their view on Jesus being the right foretold Messiah?

I will be very grateful if provided with any help.

They are called 'christians'. Belief in Jesus and the Jewish faith is mutually exclusive.

[Truth_Teller]

They are called 'christians'. Belief in Jesus and the Jewish faith is mutually exclusive.

But at least those who deny his Godhood?

[cnorman18]

Recently I have been stuck to one topic. That is, "Did Jesus fulfill The Messianic Prophecies?"

No no, I do not want to have any explanation on the fulfilfment of those Prophecies by any Christians as they have totally failed to impress me one bit even. It´s mostly for the fact being that they believe him as to be God and that, I´m afraid, doesn´t help the cause at all.

However, I´m more interested in knowing the point of view on fulfillments of Prophecies those who only believe Jesus as to be their Messiah and not God.

My question is: Is there any such religious community? If yes then what´s their name? Most probably, I guess, they have got to be Messiah-believing Jews.

Can anyone give me any link to read their view on Jesus being the right foretold Messiah?

I will be very grateful if provided with any help.

They are called 'christians'. Belief in Jesus and the Jewish faith is mutually exclusive.

Hello to my friend Truth_Teller!

I would concur with Goat. I have met any number of "Messianic Jews," and only two had been born Jewish. The rest were Gentiles who wanted to incorporate some Jewish rituals and holidays into their Christian beliefs. Not a few, I understand, end up eventually converting to Judaism. It's a little ironic that a group set up to help Jews convert to Christianity turns out to consist largely of Christians going the other way.

They were all, including the two ethnic Jews, conventional Christians who believed in Jesus as God Incarnate. There is no group that I have ever heard of that recognizes Jesus as Messiah but not God.

The few Jews who do convert to Christianity are usually Jews who were unfamiliar with or estranged from Judaism, e.g., "Secular Jews," or were indifferent to their religion and converted for the purpose of marriage to a non-Jew. Jews who understand the basics of Jewish belief very, very rarely become Christians.

The number of Christians who convert to Judaism, however, is growing. I know of three other former Christian ministers who have become Jews here in Dallas alone. One of them is now a rabbi.

[Truth_Teller]

Thanks for your replies!

By the way, don´t Unitarians fit into the category I´m looking for? I heard ones that they believe in Jesus but not as God. I´m quite confused and perhaps my idea of Unitarians could be wrong as I haven´t read a lot about them.

Could anyone help me out here?

[Thought Criminal]

Thanks for your replies!

By the way, don´t Unitarians fit into the category I´m looking for? I heard ones that they believe in Jesus but not as God. I´m quite confused and perhaps my idea of Unitarians could be wrong as I haven´t read a lot about them.

Could anyone help me out here?

Unitarian was the label for Christians who believed in God but rejected trinitarianism. In other words, they did not believe that Jesus was God, and I don't think they believed in a distinct holy spirit, whatever that is.

These days, there's a Unitarian Universalist Association, but its churches are non-creedal, which means that members aren't expected to necessarily believe in God, or anything else.

For the record, the Universalists were Christians who thought God was too good to damn anyone eternally for what they did while they lived, so they believed that people universally went to heaven.

TC

[andersbranderud]

To the author of the post:

There are Jews who believe that the historical pro-Torah and pro-Halakhah (Oral Torah) Ribi YÓ™hoshua is the Messiah. Those who follow the polar opposite Christian counterfeit man-g*od J*esus have excluding themselves from the Covenant with the Creator ha-Sheim.

Paqid Yirmeyahu is the only Netzarim authority and Rosh [First] Beit-Din [Jewish religious court] who has been formally and officially accepted in the Orthodox Jewish community and is a member in good standing for more than a decade in an Orthodox synagogue: the Yemenite synagogue, Moreshot Avot , in Raananah, Israel!!!

Historical Ribi Yәhoshua, polar opposite of the post-135 C.E. Christian counterfeit (J*esus), is the only extant genealogically documented Ben-Dawid [son of David] born in now-Arab-occupied Beit-Lëkhëm [Betlehem]. Shared by all three Abrahamic religions, only he can confirm Torah among estranged Jews and adherants of both Displacement Theologies (Christianity and Islam), unifying the world in Torah and realizing the Aleinu — hallmark of the Mashiakh (the Messiah)!
For nearly 2,000 years, Jews have been fighting, and hating, an enemy straw man, fabricated by Roman gentiles.

Throwing hand grenades instead of deftly wielding a surgeon's knife, Jews have, for 2,000 years now, slandered an innocent Jew, a first-century Ribi [Pharisaic Jewish leader] who, historians have confirmed, died a Torah-teaching Ribi. In slandering an innocent, Jews have failed, relegated to watching helplessly as 90+% of the Jewish community has assimilated, many to the Church. Judaism cannot stand while slandering an innocent. It is khilul ha-Sheim [the Creator of the universe], which ensures self-defeat.

From Anders Branderud
Disciple of the only authentic Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il –source of some of the above quotes) –that is in Ra'anana in Israel who is followers of Ribi Yehoshua - Messiah - in Ortodox Judaism

[Grand Pbuh]

Recently I have been stuck to one topic. That is, "Did Jesus fulfill The Messianic Prophecies?"

No no, I do not want to have any explanation on the fulfilfment of those Prophecies by any Christians as they have totally failed to impress me one bit even. It´s mostly for the fact being that they believe him as to be God and that, I´m afraid, doesn´t help the cause at all.

However, I´m more interested in knowing the point of view on fulfillments of Prophecies those who only believe Jesus as to be their Messiah and not God.

My question is: Is there any such religious community? If yes then what´s their name? Most probably, I guess, they have got to be Messiah-believing Jews.

Can anyone give me any link to read their view on Jesus being the right foretold Messiah?

I will be very grateful if provided with any help.

I try to observe all Torah and believe Jesus is Messiah, not born a God. I can give you my view...

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As it follows, Jesus is the son of King David and Bathsheba who died for David's sins of having Uriah killed:

2 Samuel 12:13-14 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

The child's younger brother King Solomon lost the Messianic promise by following other gods and his throne fell to Babylon. However David was promised to have his own son with an everlasting throne, so he needed to always have a king on the throne:

2 Samuel 7:12-13 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Since this hope was dashed with Solomon and generations went by without a king, God resurrected that child of David who died, and brought him to life in Mary's womb in a miracle birth like that of Isaac to Sarah. Thus the virgin birth of Jesus who is Son of David accepting his throne directly from his human father David, and also Son of God by adoption:

2 Samuel 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Romans 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Joseph the Carpenter was at the birth of Jesus, and Joseph of Arimathea acted as near kin at his death to bury him Jesus in his own tomb, so their lineages are recorded in the Gospels. Mary's cousin Elizabeth was from the Tribe of Levi.

Elizabeth's son John baptized Jesus, then he received the Spirit and was declared God's Son, then Jesus went out preaching God's Word. Being the most obedient of all prophets to the death, Jesus was made like God to us with that power, as Moses was over Israel:

Exodus 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou (MOSES) shalt be to him (AARON) instead of God.

So Jesus was not born a deity, but he was given the power of one by God, and we obey Jesus as if he is God Himself, being the spokesman for God as Moses was.

How Jesus saves is two-fold: first he is like the one good man of Sodom that justifies not destroying the whole world which removes original sin, the sour grape of Adam afflicted on all Adam's children cursing us to death:

Jeremiah 31:29-30 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

This now allows people the chance to be saved if they repent of their own sins, and Jesus being Judge as well as King can show you mercy if you offer prayers for repentance as the sacrifice instead of animals, in faith that Jesus is the Messiah who makes these atonements in his Melchizedek Priesthood of the New Covenant:

Hebrews 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hosea 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

According to Isaiah 53, Jesus was rejected and died as the Suffering Servant but resurrected, proving he was not conquered:

Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Then Jesus ascended to Heaven and will return as Elijah does to complete his mission of bringing judgment to the world, and redeeming Jews and Gentiles into David's everlasting Kingdom of Heaven.