What do Atheists Believe?

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What do Atheists Believe?

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If there's one thing I've heard about atheists, it's that they do not believe in the existence of a God.

So then, what do you believe?

It's been my experience that there is little or no value in engaging in a debate with someone who has no position on the subject. So, please, share your positions.

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Skyler wrote:If there's one thing I've heard about atheists, it's that they do not believe in the existence of a God.

So then, what do you believe?

It's been my experience that there is little or no value in engaging in a debate with someone who has no position on the subject. So, please, share your positions.
I believe I like the taste of chicken.

I believe killing is wrong.

I believe purple is the coolest color.

I believe in liberalism and socialism.

Your question is awfully open ended.

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Skyler wrote:If there's one thing I've heard about atheists, it's that they do not believe in the existence of a God.
That's because this is the defining characteristic of atheism.
So then, what do you believe?

It's been my experience that there is little or no value in engaging in a debate with someone who has no position on the subject. So, please, share your positions.
Atheist. The lack of evidence suggests God is extremely unlikely, and therefore I don't believe in Him.

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Skyler wrote:If there's one thing I've heard about atheists, it's that they do not believe in the existence of a God.
You have got that right. Congratulations, many people who make generalizations about atheists make incorrect ones. This is the one and only generalization about atheists which can be considered correct.
Skyler wrote:So then, what do you believe?
As an atheist, I believe that there is insufficient evidence to conclude that there is a God. Further, I personally believe that the existence of the JCI God to be a logical impossibility.
Skyler wrote:It's been my experience that there is little or no value in engaging in a debate with someone who has no position on the subject. So, please, share your positions.
I have other beliefs on other topics. But on the issue of God, that about sums it up. My other beliefs, may or may not be related or affected by my belief that there is no God.
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All right, what would you consider sufficient evidence for the existence of a God, then?

And secondly, one common misconception I have noted is that the JCI God is presumed to be a "super-being" but still part of the universe, inside spacetime. Meaning, he/she/it sees time the same way we see it--flowing from past to future. This is, of course, a logical impossibility as defined in the Bible. However, if we instead begin with what is seen in the Bible instead of a preconceived notion, we discover that the evidence points to an extra-universal God, that is, separate and outside of the universe. I'm saying "outside", though this is of course an imprecise term because we're trying to use spatial references do deal with things outside spacetime. It is my belief that this conception of God is not contradictory and instead fits the Bible perfectly.

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Skyler wrote:All right, what would you consider sufficient evidence for the existence of a God, then?
Sufficient? "Sufficient" implies that there is some, but not enough. I would be happy with any at this point.
And secondly, one common misconception I have noted is that the JCI God is presumed to be a "super-being" but still part of the universe, inside spacetime. Meaning, he/she/it sees time the same way we see it--flowing from past to future.
Well, he has shown himself to individuals, spoken to individuals, created certain events, etc. I believe this is enough to justify the fact he at least occoupies a part of our spacetime.
It is my belief that this conception of God is not contradictory and instead fits the Bible perfectly.
When you broaden it to preposterous proportions, anything will fit. No need to move the goal posts if they are wider than the field!

But in reality your point doesnt play a role in my disbelief.

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nygreenguy wrote:I believe purple is the coolest color.
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Skyler wrote:All right, what would you consider sufficient evidence for the existence of a God, then?
OK, how about any evidence?
Skyler wrote:And secondly, one common misconception I have noted is that the JCI God is presumed to be a "super-being" but still part of the universe, inside spacetime. Meaning, he/she/it sees time the same way we see it--flowing from past to future. This is, of course, a logical impossibility as defined in the Bible. However, if we instead begin with what is seen in the Bible instead of a preconceived notion, we discover that the evidence points to an extra-universal God, that is, separate and outside of the universe. I'm saying "outside", though this is of course an imprecise term because we're trying to use spatial references do deal with things outside spacetime. It is my belief that this conception of God is not contradictory and instead fits the Bible perfectly.
This conception of God is also non-falsifiable, how convenient!
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McCulloch: The concept of God I laid out is no more non-falsifiable than the Big Bang.

nygreenguy, you made the point that "he has shown himself to individuals, spoken to individuals, created certain events, etc."

If you have ever used the computer simulation "Second Life", you'll know that you can interact with the simulated universe as well without actually occupying it.

And finally, you declare that there is no evidence for a God. There is actually evidence for a God. Unfortunately, if a person has already reached their conclusion as to whether or not God exists, no amount of evidence is going to change their mind. It's the same as someone who has decided that the moon landing didn't happen; no amount of pictures, moon rocks, etc. will change their mind, they will come up with a seemingly logical--though incorrect--explanation.

So I retract that question on the grounds that it does not benefit the discussion.

-Skyler

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Skyler wrote:All right, what would you consider sufficient evidence for the existence of a God, then?

And secondly, one common misconception I have noted is that the JCI God is presumed to be a "super-being" but still part of the universe, inside spacetime. Meaning, he/she/it sees time the same way we see it--flowing from past to future. This is, of course, a logical impossibility as defined in the Bible. However, if we instead begin with what is seen in the Bible instead of a preconceived notion, we discover that the evidence points to an extra-universal God, that is, separate and outside of the universe. I'm saying "outside", though this is of course an imprecise term because we're trying to use spatial references do deal with things outside spacetime. It is my belief that this conception of God is not contradictory and instead fits the Bible perfectly.
Kind of ethereal, like our thoughts, or our consciences eh?

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