A good reason for evil?

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Would you surrender you sense of morality to remove ALL EVIL from the world?

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A good reason for evil?

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Another poster used this argument-
Our moral sense comes from the knowledge of good and evil. We would not want to lose evil because of this.
to show why we need evil to be in the world.

I argue that it would be idiocy to desire for evil to be in the world for the sole purpose of being able to discern good and evil, and I for one, would happily give up my sense of morality to remove all evil from the world.

Bear in mind all the evil in the world. rape, murder, thievery, child abuse, racism, bigamy...and on and on.and also keep in mind, that if you did give up your morality to remove all evil from the world...you wouldn't need morality anyway because there would be no evil.

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I voted yes because it would be great to eliminate evil, sure.

However, if I gave up my morals, then wouldn't I be more likely to commit evil?

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Remember, you are eliminating all evil. You can't commit evil, evil actions are not possible. God has removed all evil from the universe. There is now no more desire or stimulus to do anything evil.

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I would do whatever it took to erase evil from the world.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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Re: A good reason for evil?

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FinalEnigma wrote:Another poster used this argument-
Our moral sense comes from the knowledge of good and evil. We would not want to lose evil because of this.
to show why we need evil to be in the world.

I argue that it would be idiocy to desire for evil to be in the world for the sole purpose of being able to discern good and evil, and I for one, would happily give up my sense of morality to remove all evil from the world.

Bear in mind all the evil in the world. rape, murder, thievery, child abuse, racism, bigamy...and on and on.and also keep in mind, that if you did give up your morality to remove all evil from the world...you wouldn't need morality anyway because there would be no evil.
Are yo familiar with, The time machine. The original version.

The Eloy had no sense of morals or ethics.

Notice how easy it is to let another drown without a sense of morality?

Is this not evil by default?

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It is difficult for me to answer this question because, on a philosophical level, it doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, what is good without bad? What is right without wrong? Would I give up my sense of what is good if it removed all bad from the world? Huhhh... Theoretically, yes but then what would be left? Would we then live in a world like the one in The Giver? Would we actually want to live in that world?

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in that world. However, I feel confident that the children in Darfur would choose that world over the one they are in. So, for their sake I answered yes and, if given the choice, that is the one I would make--for their sake if not my own.






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Ayah5768 wrote:It is difficult for me to answer this question because, on a philosophical level, it doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, what is good without bad? What is right without wrong? Would I give up my sense of what is good if it removed all bad from the world? Huhhh... Theoretically, yes but then what would be left? Would we then live in a world like the one in The Giver? Would we actually want to live in that world?

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in that world. However, I feel confident that the children in Darfur would choose that world over the one they are in. So, for their sake I answered yes and, if given the choice, that is the one I would make--for their sake if not my own.






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The Giver is a book by Louis Lowry. It's a small, easy read about a boy who lives in a world where everything is perfectly fair, the weather is always good, and few are ever exposed to the nastiness of life. The other side of that, though, is that there is no color, no specialness, no love, no sex.
All utopian models that I know of all end in failure because of one aspect of utopian life. Boredom.

The only perfect existence for man is in front of us and most do not see it. Those like me who knows and can see the perfection are mocked.

All because they think God invented evil. He is just the final judge. We decide what top put before Him.

Man is to lead. God, in our image, is to follow.

Remember, as you give up your sense of morality that it is the only difference that I can tell between us and the lower animals. This sense is priceless.

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joeyknuccione wrote:I voted yes because it would be great to eliminate evil, sure.

However, if I gave up my morals, then wouldn't I be more likely to commit evil?
As in -The time Machine-

Is it evil to let someone just drown when you can save the person?

The answer used to be that yes, it would be evil.

Just an act of inaction, you might say, but still evil.

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If I got rid of all my morals, how would I know if evil still existed?

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Greatest I Am wrote:
All utopian models that I know of all end in failure because of one aspect of utopian life. Boredom.
I don't disagree.
Greatest I Am wrote:The only perfect existence for man is in front of us and most do not see it. Those like me who knows and can see the perfection are mocked.

All because they think God invented evil. He is just the final judge. We decide what top put before Him.

Man is to lead. God, in our image, is to follow.
All of the above is a conversation that I would love to be a part of if you start a thread about your thoughts. :) Let me know.
Greatest I Am wrote:Remember, as you give up your sense of morality that it is the only difference that I can tell between us and the lower animals. This sense is priceless.
Putting aside the "lower animals" thing which is a sentiment that I'm not sure I agree with, I agree with you. However, when I hear questions like these I hear "What would you be willing to give up for the suffering children in the world?" So far, I have yet to come up with anything that I wouldn't give up for them... excepting, of course, my own children because I will gladly admit that when it comes to them I am both extremely selfless and extremely selfish at the same time.

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