Is this typical of Islam?

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:

How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?

We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.

To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

[Bigmo]

In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:

How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?

We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.

To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

Say: ?If you do love God follow me, God will love you and forgive your sins for God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.) Qur'an 3:31

Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, to them will God Most Gracious bestow His Love. 19:96

Truly God loves those who turn into him in repentance 2:222

And God loves the patient. (Quran: 3:146)

Certainly, God loves those who put their trust in Him. 3:159

"Verily, then God loves those who are pious." 3.76

Truly, God loves the doers of good. 2:195

And God loves those who make themselves clean and pure 9.108

[umair]

In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:

How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?

We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.

To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

no,no,no,not at all,

this could be the personal beleif of someone but not that of either islam or muslims.

and as, ofcourse the best example for any muslim is the life of prophet muhammed(saw) and he loved his uncle abu talib who was his gaurdian(a non muslim),

and once he even met his foster mother and her daughter and treated them with utmost care.

and there are thousands of other examples of the prophet dealing gently and humbly with the non-muslims.


because islam is not at a personal beleif of someone but the religion of allah(swt),
which is meant for all, and ofcourse all whether we believe in him or not are his creatures.so how can one of his creations have the right to disgrace any other of his creatures.


but yes the truth which cannot be denied is what allah(swt) himself mentions in the quran:
Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.� [4:48]

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Having grown up a muslim amongst a very open–minded muslim community as part of a muslim family who never enforced the religion on me, I can report that those views…

…are the norm. Especially amongst those in the Middle East. Perhaps some of the new generation Western muslims who act as apologists and try to reform the religion by reinterpreting its rules for today’s society may not hold them. However, I fear telling ANY muslim I know of my apostasy due to adverse reactions that would follow.

And I also know plenty of people whose views tell me that they love people for the sake of allâh. The way they’ve said it made me infer that if someone abandoned Islâm then they would consider those apostates enemies of god. Since the religion comes divinely mandated then to turn away from it represents the height of blasphemy (technically, though not in practice) and therefore execution must apply.

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:

How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?

We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.

To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

Say: ?If you do love God follow me, God will love you and forgive your sins for God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.) Qur'an 3:31

Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, to them will God Most Gracious bestow His Love. 19:96

Truly God loves those who turn into him in repentance 2:222

And God loves the patient. (Quran: 3:146)

Certainly, God loves those who put their trust in Him. 3:159

"Verily, then God loves those who are pious." 3.76

Truly, God loves the doers of good. 2:195

And God loves those who make themselves clean and pure 9.108

That doesn't answer the question on this thread. Are you suggesting that God hates those who are the exceptions in these case? Does that then mean that you should hate them too?

Quoting a whole heap of scriptures is not answering the question I have posed.

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:

How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?

We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.

To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

no,no,no,not at all,


this could be the personal beleif of someone but not that of either islam or muslims.

and as, ofcourse the best example for any muslim is the life of prophet muhammed(saw) and he loved his uncle abu talib who was his gaurdian(a non muslim),

and once he even met his foster mother and her daughter and treated them with utmost care.

and there are thousands of other examples of the prophet dealing gently and humbly with the non-muslims.


because islam is not at a personal beleif of someone but the religion of allah(swt),
which is meant for all, and ofcourse all whether we believe in him or not are his creatures.so how can one of his creations have the right to disgrace any other of his creatures.


but yes the truth which cannot be denied is what allah(swt) himself mentions in the quran:
Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.� [4:48]

At last! Sanity prevails! I found it hard to believe myself, but then I know little about Islam. Thank you Umair for putting my mind at rest on that one. I wonder if the person who quoted this was just doing his best to make Muslims look bad.

[OnceConvinced]

Having grown up a muslim amongst a very open–minded muslim community as part of a muslim family who never enforced the religion on me, I can report that those views…

…are the norm. Especially amongst those in the Middle East. Perhaps some of the new generation Western muslims who act as apologists and try to reform the religion by reinterpreting its rules for today’s society may not hold them. However, I fear telling ANY muslim I know of my apostasy due to adverse reactions that would follow.

And I also know plenty of people whose views tell me that they love people for the sake of allâh. The way they’ve said it made me infer that if someone abandoned Islâm then they would consider those apostates enemies of god. Since the religion comes divinely mandated then to turn away from it represents the height of blasphemy (technically, though not in practice) and therefore execution must apply.

Perhaps I spoke too soon. Sigh. Seems there are some who are horrible horrible people and there are those like Umair who are more tolerant and caring.

[umair]

Having grown up a muslim amongst a very open–minded muslim community as part of a muslim family who never enforced the religion on me, I can report that those views…

…are the norm. Especially amongst those in the Middle East. Perhaps some of the new generation Western muslims who act as apologists and try to reform the religion by reinterpreting its rules for today’s society may not hold them. However, I fear telling ANY muslim I know of my apostasy due to adverse reactions that would follow.

And I also know plenty of people whose views tell me that they love people for the sake of allâh. The way they’ve said it made me infer that if someone abandoned Islâm then they would consider those apostates enemies of god. Since the religion comes divinely mandated then to turn away from it represents the height of blasphemy (technically, though not in practice) and therefore execution must apply.

Perhaps I spoke too soon. Sigh. Seems there are some who are horrible horrible people and there are those like Umair who are more tolerant and caring.

perhaps i think all the religions(including athiesm) have people with both mindsets, but ultimately it is the scriptures that count.

[JoeyKnothead]

Say: ?If you do love God follow me, God will love you and forgive your sins for God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.) Qur'an 3:31

Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, to them will God Most Gracious bestow His Love. 19:96

Truly God loves those who turn into him in repentance 2:222

And God loves the patient. (Quran: 3:146)

Certainly, God loves those who put their trust in Him. 3:159

"Verily, then God loves those who are pious." 3.76

Truly, God loves the doers of good. 2:195

And God loves those who make themselves clean and pure 9.108

None of these can be construed as acceptance for anything other than those that believe. QMRA

Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.� [4:48]

Clarification of this please?It

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

all the religions(including athiesm)

Atheism is NOT a religion!