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I have a question that I have been wondering about:

In the Theory of Evolution, where did the "non-living matter" come from?

And, is Evolution an atheistic belief?
Because often Evolutionists say the "Theory" of Evolution. The word "theory" itself comes from the Greek word "Theo" which means God or Heaven.

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life777 wrote:I have a question that I have been wondering about:

In the Theory of Evolution, where did the "non-living matter" come from?
The Theory of Evolution only deals with life after it started. The currently accpeted theory is that "non-living matter" came about as a result of the Big Bang
life777 wrote: And, is Evolution an atheistic belief?
Atheism has no beliefs...it is the non-belief in god(s)
life777 wrote: Because often Evolutionists say the "Theory" of Evolution. The word "theory" itself comes from the Greek word "Theo" which means God or Heaven.
Sorry to disappoint you...

theory: 1592, "conception, mental scheme," from L.L. theoria (Jerome), from Gk. theoria "contemplation, speculation, a looking at, things looked at," from theorein "to consider, speculate, look at," from theoros "spectator," from thea "a view" + horan "to see." Sense of "principles or methods of a science or art (rather than its practice)" is first recorded 1613. That of "an explanation based on observation and reasoning" is from 1638. The verb theorize is recorded from 1638.
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life777 wrote:I have a question that I have been wondering about:

In the Theory of Evolution, where did the "non-living matter" come from?

And, is Evolution an atheistic belief?
Because often Evolutionists say the "Theory" of Evolution. The word "theory" itself comes from the Greek word "Theo" which means God or Heaven.
Evolution doesn't worry about 'non-living matter' , nor does evolution worry about where life comes from. What evolution does worry about is how life changes over time.

Evolution is 'non theistic'. It does not address the issue if there is a God or not. It specifically address how life changes over time. (I am assuming you are referring to biological evolution). It addresses the subject of God the same way plumbing does, or ditchdigging.
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life777 wrote:In the Theory of Evolution, where did the "non-living matter" come from?
Since evolution is a concept of the science of biology, it does not concern itself with where non-living matter came from. Cosmology and physics deal with that subject.
life777 wrote:And, is Evolution an atheistic belief?
No, there are many theistic evolutionists. Evolution does however, contradict certain theistic interpretations of the origin of life, such as God created humans from dust on the sixth day, or that plants were created before the sun and the moon (read Genesis 1 literally).
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McCulloch wrote:Since evolution is a concept of the science of biology, it does not concern itself with where non-living matter came from. Cosmology and physics deal with that subject.
Evolution should concern itself with where the non-living matter came from since itself is part of the belief.
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bernee51 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution only deals with life after it started. The currently accpeted theory is that "non-living matter" came about as a result of the Big Bang


Well, since i have that cleared, now I'm wondering where the Big Bang came from?
The Big Bang had to have an origin to it right? :-k

I mean, Creation had an origin, which was God, an eternal being. Something always has to start from something else, unless it's eternal.
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McCulloch wrote:Since evolution is a concept of the science of biology, it does not concern itself with where non-living matter came from. Cosmology and physics deal with that subject.
life777 wrote:Evolution should concern itself with where the non-living matter came from since itself is part of the belief.
But evolution is not a belief. It is a scientific theory, part of the science of biology. Biology deals with life. Your question is like saying that when Mathematics says that 1 + 1 = 2, it should deal with what things are being added together.

However, I do get your point. Those who study evolution, do care about the question of how non-life became life. There are two approaches to that question. The honest one is to say that we don't really know yet but we are doing research and we know something about the topic. The other is to say that we have an ancient book from a supernatural being that explains it to us.
bernee51 wrote:The Theory of Evolution only deals with life after it started. The currently accepted theory is that "non-living matter" came about as a result of the Big Bang
life777 wrote:Well, since i have that cleared, now I'm wondering where the Big Bang came from?
The Big Bang had to have an origin to it right? :-k
I suspect that you are not being entirely honest with us here. I doubt that you are wondering where the Big Bang came from, you probably believe that either God created the Big Bang or that the Big Bang never happened because God created the universe in six (literal or figurative) days. I apologize if I am misrepresenting you.
If you can adequately answer where God came from, then we can probably give a good answer to where the Big Bang came from.

If you actually believe the evidence that there was a Big Bang and you need to have an answer to where it came from, why not just define God as being the origin of the Big Bang. God is the cause of the Big Bang. What then can be known about God? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nil. Not much help, eh?
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life777 wrote:
McCulloch wrote:Since evolution is a concept of the science of biology, it does not concern itself with where non-living matter came from. Cosmology and physics deal with that subject.
Evolution should concern itself with where the non-living matter came from since itself is part of the belief.
Why is it part of the belief? Where in science does it say that biological evolution should worry about cosmology and astrophysics? Mind you, biological evolution will
deal with chemistry, and in specific organic chemistry, but it doesn't care how things started off.
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life777 wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution only deals with life after it started. The currently accpeted theory is that "non-living matter" came about as a result of the Big Bang


Well, since i have that cleared, now I'm wondering where the Big Bang came from?
The Big Bang had to have an origin to it right? :-k

I mean, Creation had an origin, which was God, an eternal being. Something always has to start from something else, unless it's eternal.
The Big Bang (a sarcastic term coined by Fred Hoyle) came from a singularity. It did not 'appear out of nothing. The origin of the singularity is unknown, but it could very well have been 'eternal'.

Now, IMO, the singularity came from God, or was God, or is god, depending on how you want to look at it. However, that is a belief, a religious belief. It is not based in anything but faith.

If you are talking religion, we can say 'This is how God did it'. We can not make that statement using science though. Science can say "We have insufficient information for a meaningful answer" (We don't know).

The problem with Biblical creationism (I.e. the world being created in 6 days, etc etc etc), is that it has been shown to be false. All the evidence we have show a universe that is over 13 billion years old, with an earth that is 4 and a half billion years.

What science can show, and IMO has shown is that there are processes at work that allow for the formation of life, and can explain the diversity of life on our planet, as well how with a simple filter (in the case of life random variation followed by natural selection) can allow complexity to arise from simple rules.

In My opinion, many people are afraid of evolution and science, not because it disproves God, (since it doesn't even bother to address God), but it shows how things can happen without "an intelligent designer" behind things.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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McCulloch wrote:
Evolution does however, contradict certain theistic interpretations of the origin of life, such as God created humans from dust on the sixth day, or that plants were created
Evolution couldn't contradict any theistic interpretations of the orgin of life, IF:
Bernee wrote:The Theory of Evolution only deals with life after it started
goat wrote:Evolution doesn't worry about 'non-living matter' , nor does evolution worry about where life comes from. What evolution does worry about is how life changes over time.

Evolution is 'non theistic'. It does not address the issue if there is a God or not. It specifically address how life changes over time. (I am assuming you are referring to biological evolution). It addresses the subject of God the same way plumbing does, or ditchdigging

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