Italy's nominee to become the European Union's Justice and Home Affairs commissioner failed on Monday to win the backing of the European Parliament's Justice Committee, days after testifying that he considers homosexuality a sin.
The panel narrowly failed to endorse Rocco Buttiglione, who is currently Italy's European Affairs minister, said Jean-Louis Bourlanges, chairman of the Justice Committee.
Buttiglione said that he would fight for the rights of homosexuals, but would not back away from his statement that the lifestyle is sinful.
Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful (Lev. 18:22).
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Post #2only if you believe sin is possibe - I don't believe it is. I am not a sinner - never have been - never will be.Daystar wrote:
Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful (Lev. 18:22).
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Post #3[Daystar] Man, are you deceivedbernee51 wrote:only if you believe sin is possibe - I don't believe it is. I am not a sinner - never have been - never will be.Daystar wrote:
Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful (Lev. 18:22).
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Why is it sinful?Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful
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[Day] Doesn't the law of nature speak to you? The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.ProfMoriarty wrote:Why is it sinful?Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful
I respect homosexuals as individuals who are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. I even have some who are friends. But their lifestyle is an abomination to God (lev. 18:22) and they need to repent (as do heterosexuals).
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Does this extend to two women as well or are their practices in that regard worth gawking at, in your opinion?Daystar wrote:[Day] Doesn't the law of nature speak to you? The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.ProfMoriarty wrote:Why is it sinful?Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful
I take it then that you also consider the stoning of disobedient children to be a righteous and morally upright action to take? (Deut. 21:18-21).I respect homosexuals as individuals who are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. I even have some who are friends. But their lifestyle is an abomination to God (lev. 18:22) and they need to repent (as do heterosexuals).
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Daystar wrote:
If you feel that homosexuality is 'repulsive' that is your opinion, but to say that it is 'unnatural' is hardly accurate, considering how prevalent these behaviors are among animals.The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices.
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto His people. Exodus 32:14
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Post #8why do you assert that I am deceived? How? And by whom? How do you know you are not the one being deceived?Daystar wrote: Man, are you deceived
I beg to differ. I most certainly am not. But you claim to be one. How are you a sinner?Daystar wrote: We're all sinners.
the absence of 'good'.Daystar wrote: What do you call evil?
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Well no, the law of nature doesn't speak to me. (I wasn't aware there was one). Nature does whatever is expedient at the time - if you even try to base morality on nature you will be in trouble. Homosexual behaviour is very common in nature, for a variety of reasons, but mainly as a means for a low-ranking member of a group to steal the chance to mate with a high ranking female while no one is looking. So you can read that as saying that homosexuality is perfectly normal; but you can't take from this that it is morally correct or incorrect.Doesn't the law of nature speak to you?
Homosexuality applies equally to male and to female - homo in this context means "same", it is nothing to do with 'human' or any indicator of gender.
But what I want to know is why is it sinful? And what I want to know is why is it sinful? Two different questions. (And what do you mean by sinful anyway? ) . What business is it of anyone to make judgements about a person based upon their sexuality?
Just trying to get some answers here that aren't simply references to bible verses.
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ENIGMA wrote:Does this extend to two women as well or are their practices in that regard worth gawking at, in your opinion?Daystar wrote:[Day] Doesn't the law of nature speak to you? The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.ProfMoriarty wrote:Why is it sinful?Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful
[Day] Worth gawking at? Same sex is an abomination to God.
I take it then that you also consider the stoning of disobedient children to be a righteous and morally upright action to take? (Deut. 21:18-21).I respect homosexuals as individuals who are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. I even have some who are friends. But their lifestyle is an abomination to God (lev. 18:22) and they need to repent (as do heterosexuals).
[Day] The moral law (Tem Commandments) is binding on everyone. The Mosaic laws were given only to Israel. If they believe in the Torah, then why don't they do what it says? I can't answer that. Ask them. But since we are in the dispensation of grace, since Calvary, there is a better way: Repent, forgive and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Children shouldn't be stoned, but disciplined according to their behavior.
