Sexual Peversion

[EdTheOvertgeek]

How is having different sexual preferences to the norm immoral? Why is everyone against sick perverts? Other people's sexual preferences are their businesses and no-one else's.

[sledheavy]

I would say it's all based on assumptions. The definition of a pervert is probably vast depending on who's asking who. However,

No one up and decides to be a pervert, nor does someone randomly decide to become a pedafile. It takes time. If it's safe to assume that it's one perversion leading to another, then it would be unhealthy. If it's a harmless practice, that's not in excess *(regardless of context of masterbation), then I say it's fine. But anyone can dump the preverbial term of 'pervert' on anything related to a sex act. That's one of the underlying problems.

People find it immoral because the majority of the information they want to get comes from what they see in the media. Dateline, MSNBC, fox news. They see this and go out into the world and assume that the person who looks outside their norms is a weirdo and put a tagline on their assumptions. They've never had a decent conversation with this person, so they go off of instinct as to assume who or what this person's about. That's not wrong persay, but that additude isn't one for solving problems.

The types of people who are the most against 'sick perverts' are parents in my opinion. They put more care into their children's safeties then their integrities and personalities.

lol, and then who's the weirdo?

But should people's sexual preferences be one persons buisness and no one elses? If it's completely disclosed the sexual devient still commits to these acts, and people are still as prude as they are today. There has to be a line that still emphasizes healthy sexual freedoms. It's a part of being human. So if people talk negatively about the whole situation and the people relating to it then we're not solving any problems eitherway.

[EdTheOvertgeek]

Sometimes, perversion is harmful, and therefore should be considered a mental illness.

For example, there is no way that a paedophile can have sex without it being rape.

The problem is that instead of helping these people (huh? people?), we persecute them, assuming that they are rapists. This is no way of persuading/oercing people not to rape children; if they are harmful, they are harassed and if they are harmless they are harassed anyway.

The ban on hentai child porn stops paedophiles from receiving any form of non-harmful sexual gratification - this presumably doesn't eliminate their desire, but rather stops it from being fulfilled harmlessly, provoking them to fulfill it harmfully.

The worst problem, however, is not just the fact that people are paranoid about perverts, but rather that they are paranoid about everyone in case they are perverts! perhaps it's just a childish thing, but at my school, I hear many accusations of someone being a paedophile every day. It's like a witch hunt! the play 'The Crucible' that we are studying for our coursework seems most appropriate.

I seem to recall reading about a paediatrician being killed by an angry mob because the imbeciles assumed that it meant the same thing as a paedophile!

Corpse-____ing - who cares? I couldn't care less if someone digs up and ____s my corpse when I'm dead - it's not as if I could experience anything when I'm dead, anyway!

As far as I'm concerned, my brain should be cryogenically frozen, some copies of my DNA preserved, useful organs donated to the NHS (british national heath service) for use in transplants and the rest left for some poor necrophiliac person to pleasure themselves with.

Zoophilia - who cares?

The first barrier to break down will be homophobia.

Next we accept that gays and bis are perverts (and no, I'm not homophobic - I'm bi myself), because we sexually aberrate - we might as well accept it.

Next, the other perversionphobias should be destroyed, starting with those that sicken society theleast and ending with those that sicken society the most.

And, of course, keep digging at religion, probaby the most major source of hatred for perverts.

[sledheavy]

Sometimes, perversion is harmful, and therefore should be considered a mental illness.

For example, there is no way that a paedophile can have sex without it being rape.

The problem is that instead of helping these people (huh? people?), we persecute them, assuming that they are rapists. This is no way of persuading/oercing people not to rape children; if they are harmful, they are harassed and if they are harmless they are harassed anyway.

The ban on hentai child porn stops paedophiles from receiving any form of non-harmful sexual gratification - this presumably doesn't eliminate their desire, but rather stops it from being fulfilled harmlessly, provoking them to fulfill it harmfully.

The worst problem, however, is not just the fact that people are paranoid about perverts, but rather that they are paranoid about everyone in case they are perverts! perhaps it's just a childish thing, but at my school, I hear many accusations of someone being a paedophile every day. It's like a witch hunt! the play 'The Crucible' that we are studying for our coursework seems most appropriate.

I seem to recall reading about a paediatrician being killed by an angry mob because the imbeciles assumed that it meant the same thing as a paedophile!

Corpse-____ing - who cares? I couldn't care less if someone digs up and ____s my corpse when I'm dead - it's not as if I could experience anything when I'm dead, anyway!

As far as I'm concerned, my brain should be cryogenically frozen, some copies of my DNA preserved, useful organs donated to the NHS (british national heath service) for use in transplants and the rest left for some poor necrophiliac person to pleasure themselves with.

Zoophilia - who cares?

The first barrier to break down will be homophobia.

Next we accept that gays and bis are perverts (and no, I'm not homophobic - I'm bi myself), because we sexually aberrate - we might as well accept it.

Next, the other perversionphobias should be destroyed, starting with those that sicken society theleast and ending with those that sicken society the most.

And, of course, keep digging at religion, probaby the most major source of hatred for perverts.

Well as you pointed out, sex with a minor is considered rape.

rape, from a lawful standpoint is forced and/ or concented. It's a double standard, and it's lame. It's saying that the intentions of the child are void just because it was a sex act. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the same as saying that possession is also intention to sell.

You and I had enough common sense at the age of 16 or 17 to know not to do something as stupid, and even still our opinions were lessened because we weren't adults. There's something wrong there.

Otherwise you make a good point with homophobia, but lol, the randomness.

Destroying, eliminating, banning. Religious fundamentals and idealogies probably aren't going anywhere soon, neither is perversion. But people need to understand that yes, there are limits, unlawful limits, and what is acceptable should be taken into moderation.

The 'sickness' is as much an underground taboo fad, so only the people who want it have to go looking. That's a positive aspect to all this. The negative would be what they're looking for.

but yeah, some acts are in fact overrated. We have to consider all the actions, motives and reasons of the individuals making the rules, the one's judging and the ones being judged.

[spiritletter]

You're going to have to define sexual perversion. My own definition is anything that is damaging to anyone involved, anything that is coercive,where one person is not a willing participant, e.g.; rape.

[EdTheOvertgeek]

4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perversion

[spiritletter]

4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perversion

The word "generally" makes the definition useless. Generally according to who? There is no representative group in this country (or anywhere else) that could be regarded as representing the general morality on the issue.

For some people, oral sex is a perversion, others, anything but the missionary position is a perversion.

Again, I think "normal," for me, would be anything that does not damage another human being and which does not involve coercion.

[spiritletter]

4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perversion

The word "generally" makes the definition useless. Generally according to who? There is no representative group in this country (or anywhere else) that could be regarded as representing the general morality on the issue.

For some people, oral sex is a perversion, others, anything but the missionary position is a perversion.

Again, I think "normal," for me, would be anything that does not damage another human being and which does not involve coercion. I think coercion covers sex with children, because they do not know what it is they're being involved in. It is a violation of innocence.

[EdTheOvertgeek]

4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perversion

The word "generally" makes the definition useless. Generally according to who? There is no representative group in this country (or anywhere else) that could be regarded as representing the general morality on the issue.

Because definitions are only the meanings of words, the person who claims that the act is sexually perverted will obviously vary. it says 'generally' - it doesn't specify that it really means what a specific person says.

When someone says that something is a perversion, it is them who is claiming that the act is generally perceived as abnormal, right?

Or maybe the dictionary means that when something is called a perversion, it will tend to refer to something that is generally perceived as abnormal (although this isn't really a definition, but rather a guideline to what someone is referring to, rather than what they mean by calling what they refer to a perversion); Maybe the definition is inelequent nonsense.

For some people, oral sex is a perversion, others, anything but the missionary position is a perversion.

If you take the dictionary definition literally, it will appear to disagree with you, because 'generally' means 'in the beliefs of the absolute majority'. It is therefore not a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact, hence claiming what you just said would be epistemological idealism , which I hope very few people believe.

Again, I think "normal," for me, would be anything that does not damage another human being and which does not involve coercion.

It doesn't refer to what is normal for one person, but rather just normal, i.e. not deviating from common types of sex.

[sledheavy]

that's just splitting hairs. What about the topic at hand??