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Hmmm...I'm glad they stressed the "nanosecond"

Religion is not science, science is not religion.

But they can live together happily, if religious people are prepared to modify their beliefs.

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Science: a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
No, science isn't religion or vice versa. Religion is in no way a study of the cause, nature, or purpose of the universe, it is merely a belief. There is no study in the terms of scientific study. To be equated, religious study would have to comply with the same scientific method to study nature. The key differences are bolded.
openmind wrote:But they can live together happily, if religious people are prepared to modify their beliefs.


Even then, they couldn't live together. Science isn't about beliefs, rather testable observations and robust results. The two cannot co-habituate. Metaphysical vs physical, supernatural vs natural. They will forever be separate.
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Even then, they couldn't live together. Science isn't about beliefs, rather testable observations and robust results. The two cannot co-habituate. Metaphysical vs physical, supernatural vs natural. They will forever be separate.
I agree with you in part. Science and religion deal with issues rather opposite to each other. Metaphyscial vs. physical, supernatural vs natural, as you say. To me, that is the principle reason that they can, to a degree, co-exist. There are issues that science cannot completely tackle yet. Scientists might be able to explain how the universe was created, but they cannot explain why. Science might be ultimately able to provide these answers, but until then there will always be a place for those who want to believe in something supernatural.

True, the will forever be separate, but they can exist together. As long religious people accept that the universe is billions of years old, and life evolved. Science does create blank spots - some people feel the need to fill these in with religion.

I don't think Christanity or Islam in their current forms can co-exist with science. There has to be change.

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Openmind wrote:
Even then, they couldn't live together. Science isn't about beliefs, rather testable observations and robust results. The two cannot co-habituate. Metaphysical vs physical, supernatural vs natural. They will forever be separate.
I agree with you in part. Science and religion deal with issues rather opposite to each other. Metaphysical vs. physical, supernatural vs natural, as you say. To me, that is the principle reason that they can, to a degree, co-exist. There are issues that science cannot completely tackle yet. Scientists might be able to explain how the universe was created, but they cannot explain why. Science might be ultimately able to provide these answers, but until then there will always be a place for those who want to believe in something supernatural.

True, the will forever be separate, but they can exist together. As long religious people accept that the universe is billions of years old, and life evolved. Science does create blank spots - some people feel the need to fill these in with religion.

I don't think Christianity or Islam in their current forms can co-exist with science. There has to be change.
Just because science cannot answer a question now, doesn't mean they won't be able to in the future. The problem with intermingling religion in is that it negates a reason to continue to search because scripture tells you the answer anyways.

Yes, there will always be a place for some who want to believe in the metaphysical. There will likely always be questions man will be searching for answers to. Some will be happy with "God did it" or "God works in mysterious ways". But science won't.

Islam and Christianity cannot co-exist in the religious realm let alone the scientific realm. If they ever do, I hope I am not alive to see it because it would be a recipe for disaster!!!!
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Confused wrote:
Openmind wrote:
Even then, they couldn't live together. Science isn't about beliefs, rather testable observations and robust results. The two cannot co-habituate. Metaphysical vs physical, supernatural vs natural. They will forever be separate.
I agree with you in part. Science and religion deal with issues rather opposite to each other. Metaphysical vs. physical, supernatural vs natural, as you say. To me, that is the principle reason that they can, to a degree, co-exist. There are issues that science cannot completely tackle yet. Scientists might be able to explain how the universe was created, but they cannot explain why. Science might be ultimately able to provide these answers, but until then there will always be a place for those who want to believe in something supernatural.

True, the will forever be separate, but they can exist together. As long religious people accept that the universe is billions of years old, and life evolved. Science does create blank spots - some people feel the need to fill these in with religion.

I don't think Christianity or Islam in their current forms can co-exist with science. There has to be change.
Just because science cannot answer a question now, doesn't mean they won't be able to in the future. The problem with intermingling religion in is that it negates a reason to continue to search because scripture tells you the answer anyways.

Yes, there will always be a place for some who want to believe in the metaphysical. There will likely always be questions man will be searching for answers to. Some will be happy with "God did it" or "God works in mysterious ways". But science won't.

Islam and Christianity cannot co-exist in the religious realm let alone the scientific realm. If they ever do, I hope I am not alive to see it because it would be a recipe for disaster!!!!
Bingo. Scientists recognise it's ok to say 'We don't know yet' which leaves us open for more analysis where as religions claim to have all the answers. There will likely always be a place for some form of religion but my tip is that religion will dissolve into something which resembles philosophy rather than faith, if you catch my drift.
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Ok, the sites are getting old. If you have a specific message, then present it. Otherwise, giving one link after another that presents various issues but nothing specific is a waste of time.
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Confused wrote:
Ok, the sites are getting old. If you have a specific message, then present it. Otherwise, giving one link after another that presents various issues but nothing specific is a waste of time.
You're right.

I agree with you, science is not religion! (Anyone would) But they can definitely coexist... they already do. There is science right now, and there is religion right now. I would say, however, that they're both trying to answer the same fundamental question: "Why?" and like openmind wrote, just dealing with them differently.

The key difference is that, like undertow said, science still admits it has no answer of "Why?" whereas Religion does.

Where I disagree with undertow is that, even though it looks like religion will eventually dissolve, as science grows, there's no way to know that for sure. The key is knowing that science is what is evolving religion.

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