The Grand Canyon

[otseng]

Image from Cactus Corner

How did the Grand Canyon form?

How did it form according to the Flood Model perspective?
How did it form according to the Evolution Model perspective?

[ST88]

How did it form according to the Evolution Model perspective?

I still maintain that Evolution Model is a bit of a misnomer. It would be more correct to say Old Earth Model, if only because evolution is not necessary to explain the Grand Canyon. But I get it.

The traditional scientific explanation is that the earth was layered through the Colorado Plateau over many millions of years, including volcanic activity and mountainous upheaval, up until about the Paleozoic era. Then the Colorado river flowed in a remarkably stable direction after those layers had formed. The flowing water eroded the valley away gradually, revealing the layers as it caused the sediments underneath to be carried away into the Gulf of California, among other places. This is in contrast to the Yosemite valley, a similar geologic structure, but created by glacial movement instead of constant running water.

There is much evidence for this, and I would be curious to see how the Creationist (Flood) model accounts for it.

[otseng]

I still maintain that Evolution Model is a bit of a misnomer. It would be more correct to say Old Earth Model, if only because evolution is not necessary to explain the Grand Canyon. But I get it.

You are correct. I was thinking something was not quite right while I was typing that. The better name would be the Uniformitarianism Model.

The traditional scientific explanation is that the earth was layered through the Colorado Plateau over many millions of years, including volcanic activity and mountainous upheaval, up until about the Paleozoic era.

If that is true, why are all the stratas parallel to each other and also relatively flat?

I would be curious to see how the Creationist (Flood) model accounts for it.

All the stratas were formed during the global flood. During the formation of the Rockies, the waters receeded and eroded the layers to form the Grand Canyon in a matter of weeks.

[jwu]

If that is true, why are all the stratas parallel to each other and also relatively flat?

There are several disconformities, e.g. the one at the redwall limestone strata.

jwu

[ST88]

why are all the stratas parallel to each other and also relatively flat?

Not all of the stratas are parallel.
(irrelevant example extracted from this post by the poster)
But there are a great many layers that are parallel, which attests to the long period of geologic quiet in this area. The main forces that carved the valley are linked to water movements. Ancient seas encroached on and retreated from the area, depositing sediment and salts in various layers, in addition to the layering of geologic eras.

The upheaval was fairly uniform across the Colorado Plateau and explains why this area is no longer underneath the ocean. The Supai Group has some interesting non-horizontal layers:

which can be explained either by wind erosion or by slow upheaval from one side after the layers were formed (or both).

All the stratas were formed during the global flood. During the formation of the Rockies, the waters receeded and eroded the layers to form the Grand Canyon in a matter of weeks.

Did this happen elsewhere in the world?

ed to remove: irrelevant example

[jwu]

I'm sorry to stab your back, but the vishnu group is precambrian. Therefore it's not really relevant, as the claim is only that the post cambrian strata were laid down by the flood.

Originally i had posted the pic which you can see on this website, but i removed it from my post again after i had found out that it is precambrian too.

The supai group however is permian and therefore very relevant for the purpose of this thread.



jwu

[ST88]

I'm sorry to stab your back, but the vishnu group is precambrian.

Quite right, the Vishnu group is roughly Mesoproterozoic. This also means that the Tilted Formations are off-limits. See how peer-reviewed science works?

Probably best to concentrate on Coconino Sandstone, Hermit Shale, & other middle Paleozoic formations.

[otseng]

The Supai Group has some interesting non-horizontal layers

My main point is not layers that are horizontal (or parallel to the horizon), but why are the stratas all parallel to each other? Though this question is not limited to the Grand Canyon, but to practically all stratas around the world, it's definitely quite evident in the Grand Canyon.

So, the questions are:
- Why are the rock stratas parallel to each other?
- Where did all the rock come from to form the layers of the Grand Canyon?
- Since it got eroded, where did it all go?

Did this happen elsewhere in the world?

The largest canyon in the world, Great Canyon of Yarlung Tsangpo is near the Himalayas.

The deepest land canyon in the world, Colca Canyon, is near the Andes.

This is consistent with the FM, where canyons would form with water receeding during the creation of the major mountain ranges.

[jwu]

Footprints of animals have been found in many layers of the postcambrian strata of the Grand Canyon. Footprints of animals which at the time when the strata formed should have been quite dead.

http://www.und.edu/instruct/mineral/101 ... andcan.htm

jwu

[Emerson]

The Flood model says that the Grand Canyon was formed by a great amount of water filling up the Grand Lake or Hopi Lake. The water then ran over the top, and eroded the canyon into it. With the amount of water that was there during the flood, this would happen in about 30 minutes or less.

The Grand Canyon could not have been formed by the Colorado River flowing through. This is what the Grand Canyon looks like if you were to go way back on the side.
*bad paint image*


Did you know?:

1. The top of the canyon is higher than the bottom.
2. The river runs only through the bottom.
3. The top is higher than where the river enters the canyon by over 4000 feet.
4. Rivers don't run uphill.