Life is fundamentally unethical
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Compassionist
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Life is fundamentally unethical
Post #1I think it is totally unethical to force sentient beings into situations where they suffer and die when they didn't ask to be in those situations, e.g. dying slowly in a famine, being tortured to death, being gang raped and beaten to death, being imprisoned and slaughtered in a factory farm, etc. Life imposes catastrophic costs on sentient beings without their consent. I didn't ask to be born as a human being. I wish I had never existed. Sadly, I can't kill myself without causing suffering to others. So, I am trapped in my constant suffering in a world full of suffering, injustice, and death. Life is fundamentally unethical.
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Re: Life is fundamentally unethical
Post #2I don't think we can have moral obligations to bring, or not bring, people into existence. For all we know, humanity will one day create a world where nobody suffers. A world where every being would want to be brought into existence. Then, it would be immoral to stop mating on the reasoning that we should keep people from existence because they might suffer.
But you actually bring up a good point and it's why I'm for abortion. I actually feel quite the same way.
I'm not for forcing people to get abortions because we're overpopulated. But neither am I for forcing people not to have abortions on the grounds that this baby will definitely have a happy life it absolutely desires to be brought into, because clearly that's not always the case. We have two examples just in this thread.
It's not "who decides" which is a question with no answer.
If someone might have done the right thing, we cannot punish them. This is the logical position consistent with the only way law and order have ever worked well.
But you actually bring up a good point and it's why I'm for abortion. I actually feel quite the same way.
I'm not for forcing people to get abortions because we're overpopulated. But neither am I for forcing people not to have abortions on the grounds that this baby will definitely have a happy life it absolutely desires to be brought into, because clearly that's not always the case. We have two examples just in this thread.
It's not "who decides" which is a question with no answer.
If someone might have done the right thing, we cannot punish them. This is the logical position consistent with the only way law and order have ever worked well.
