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Can you please provide evidence for the following Biblical events?

1. Creation Miracles (Genesis 1–3)

Creation of the universe: God creates light, sky, land, seas, plants, stars, animals, and humans in six days.
Creation of angels: Implied in passages like Job 38:4–7; often considered an early act before physical creation.
Creation of Adam and Eve: God forms Adam from dust and breathes life into him; Eve is made from Adam’s rib.
Creation of other organisms: All species of plants and animals are said to have been created by divine command.
The Garden of Eden: A paradise created for Adam and Eve.
The Fall: The serpent speaks; Adam and Eve eat forbidden fruit and are evicted from Eden; curses are pronounced.

2. Early Genesis Miracles

The mark and protection of Cain (Genesis 4:15).
The longevity of pre-Flood humans (many living 900+ years).
Noah’s Flood (Genesis 6–9): God floods the entire world, saving only Noah, his family, and the animals in the ark.
The rainbow covenant: God sets a rainbow as a sign of the promise never again to flood the earth.
Confusion of languages at Babel (Genesis 11): Humanity’s speech is divided, and people scatter across the world.

3. Miracles in the Patriarchal Era (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph)

Call of Abram: God speaks directly to Abram (Genesis 12).
Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: Fire and brimstone from heaven (Genesis 19).
Lot’s wife turned to salt (Genesis 19:26).
Birth of Isaac to elderly Sarah (Genesis 21).
God’s testing of Abraham: A ram provided in place of Isaac (Genesis 22).
Jacob’s ladder dream and wrestling with God (Genesis 28; Genesis 32).
Joseph’s prophetic dreams and interpretations (Genesis 37–41).

4. Miracles of Moses and the Exodus

The burning bush (Exodus 3).
Staff turned into a serpent (Exodus 4).
The Ten Plagues on Egypt (Exodus 7–12):

1. Water to blood
2. Frogs
3. Gnats or lice
4. Flies
5. Livestock disease
6. Boils
7. Hail
8. Locusts
9. Darkness
10. Death of the firstborn
The Passover protection (Israelites spared).
Parting of the Red Sea (Exodus 14).
Pillar of cloud by day and fire by night, guiding Israel.
Manna and quail were provided in the wilderness.
Water from the rock (Exodus 17).
Mount Sinai theophany: God’s voice, thunder, lightning, and tablets of stone.
Bronze serpent healing (Numbers 21).
Aaron’s rod budding (Numbers 17).
Moses’ radiant face after speaking with God (Exodus 34).

5. Miracles in the Time of Joshua, Judges, and Kings

Jordan River stops flowing so Israel can cross (Joshua 3).
Walls of Jericho fall (Joshua 6).
The sun stands still (Joshua 10).
Gideon’s fleece tests (Judges 6).
Samson’s strength feats (Judges 14–16).
Fire consumes Elijah’s offering on Mount Carmel (1 Kings 18).
Elijah raises the widow’s son (1 Kings 17).
Elijah was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kings 2).
Elisha parts the Jordan, purifies water, multiplies oil, raises the Shunammite’s son, feeds 100 men with loaves, heals Naaman’s leprosy, and makes an iron axe-head float (2 Kings 2–6).
The shadow on the sundial goes backwards for King Hezekiah (2 Kings 20).
Angelic destruction of the Assyrian army (2 Kings 19).
Daniel’s survival in the lions’ den (Daniel 6).
Three men survive the fiery furnace (Daniel 3).
Handwriting on the wall (Daniel 5).

6. Miracles in the Intertestamental and New Testament Era

Zechariah was struck mute until John the Baptist’s birth (Luke 1).
Virgin (immaculate) conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1; Luke 1).
Star of Bethlehem guiding the Magi (Matthew 2).
Angelic announcements to Mary, Joseph, and the shepherds.
John the Baptist’s prophetic calling before birth.

7. Miracles Performed by Jesus

Turning water into wine (John 2).
Healing the sick, blind, deaf, and lame (many Gospels).
Cleansing lepers (Matthew 8).
Casting out demons (Mark 5, etc.).
Feeding 5,000 (Matthew 14) and feeding 4,000 (Matthew 15).
Walking on water (Matthew 14).
Calming the storm (Mark 4).
Raising Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5).
Healing the centurion’s servant (Matthew 8).
Healing the bleeding woman (Mark 5).
Restoring sight to Bartimaeus (Mark 10).
Raising Lazarus from the dead (John 11).
The Transfiguration (Matthew 17).
Paying temple tax with a coin in a fish’s mouth (Matthew 17).
Cursing the barren fig tree (Mark 11).
The resurrection of Jesus (Matthew 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20).
Post-resurrection appearances (Luke 24; John 21).
Ascension into heaven (Acts 1).

8. Miracles in the Acts of the Apostles

Tongues of fire and the gift of languages at Pentecost (Acts 2).
Peter and John heal a lame man (Acts 3).
Peter raises Tabitha (Dorcas) from the dead (Acts 9).
Paul blinds and heals various people (Acts 13–28).
Earthquake freeing Paul and Silas from prison (Acts 16).
Paul survives a viper bite (Acts 28).
Philip’s teleportation (Acts 8).
Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead for lying (Acts 5).

9. Apocalyptic and Prophetic Miracles

Visions of Heaven and angels (Revelation 4–5).
Trumpet and bowl judgments: cosmic catastrophes, locusts, plagues, blood rivers, darkness.
Two witnesses calling down fire (Revelation 11).
The New Jerusalem descending from heaven (Revelation 21).
Creation of a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21–22).
God dwelling with humanity eternally - the final miracle of restoration.

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Compassionist wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 11:57 am Can you please provide evidence for the following Biblical events?
To know what can be counted as evidence, please show one example of evidence for something that happened 4,000 years ago that you accept.
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[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

That’s a fair question, thank you.

By “evidence,” I mean independently verifiable data or artefacts that make a claim more probable than its alternatives. For an event claimed to have occurred 4,000 years ago, I would accept the same kinds of evidence historians and archaeologists use in all other ancient contexts, such as:

1. Contemporary records that are independently attested - for example, multiple cuneiform tablets, inscriptions, or papyri written close to the time of the alleged event, rather than many years later.
2. Archaeological correlates - artefacts, ruins, geological layers, or human remains consistent with the claimed event.
3. Corroboration from independent cultures that had no incentive to copy the same tradition.
4. Internal consistency and absence of anachronisms in the documents describing the event.
5. Physical traces compatible with the scale of the described phenomenon - e.g., if a flood allegedly covered all mountains, there should be global sedimentary evidence from that period.

For example, the eruption of Thera (Santorini) around 1600 BCE is supported by multiple independent lines of evidence - volcanic ash layers across the Mediterranean, radiocarbon dating, and Egyptian records of atmospheric disturbance.
That’s what I would count as solid evidence for an event roughly 3,600–4,000 years old.

So if similar kinds of independently verifiable data exist for Biblical events such as the Exodus, the global flood, or the sun standing still at Gibeon, I would gladly examine them.

Do you have specific evidence of that nature for any of the events in the Bible?

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Compassionist wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:49 pm ...
1. Contemporary records that are independently attested - for example, multiple cuneiform tablets, inscriptions, or papyri written close to the time of the alleged event, rather than many years later.
2. Archaeological correlates - artefacts, ruins, geological layers, or human remains consistent with the claimed event.
3. Corroboration from independent cultures that had no incentive to copy the same tradition.
4. Internal consistency and absence of anachronisms in the documents describing the event.
5. Physical traces compatible with the scale of the described phenomenon - e.g., if a flood allegedly covered all mountains, there should be global sedimentary evidence from that period.
Thank you for the definition.

1. The problem with that is, many people have not been able to write. And even if people were able to write, many writings may have been destroyed. Also, one can always claim they are fake.
2. Also in this case the problem is, lot of stuff is destroyed, can be misinterpreted and can be claimed fake.
3. The problem with that is, cultures that are enemies, would probably not support each others stories. On the contrary, enemies would likely destroyer other cultures writings and evidence. As we can see also nowadays, "democrats" would like to erase everything Trump did and was, so that future people would not even know Trump existed. This means, it would be unlikely to find anything that supports Israel, form its enemies. And also, the enemies would have destroyed everything they could. One example of this is the temple in Jerusalem. If the Bible is true, it should be difficult to find any evidence, because the enemies tried to destroy all evidence. And then, if we would find much evidence, it would actually go against the story and be evidence that the story is probably not true.
4) It is interesting that in the case of the Bible, inconsistency seems to come from poor reading comprehension.
5) It is not reasonable to assume same result from the Biblical flood as from small local flood. The effects of the flood were vast, caused multiple layers and no reason to assume the result would be the same in all places, because earth is not uniform.
Compassionist wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:49 pmSo if similar kinds of independently verifiable data exist for Biblical events such as the Exodus, the global flood, or the sun standing still at Gibeon, I would gladly examine them.
In the case of the Exodus, to find evidence, on would have to understand first what happened and what would be the signs of it. Same is with the flood and sun standing.

I think we can find the things that would be possible to find, if the story is true. Also in the case of the great flood, I think we can find all the things that would have been results of it.

Sun standing still is more difficult, because it depends on right understanding of the solar system and what can God do. Basically only thing that we could assume to find is the stories about it. And by what I see, similar stories exists, which is why I think we have evidence for it.
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[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

Thank you again for your thoughtful engagement. You raise some interesting points about the difficulty of preserving evidence, so I’ll respond in order.

1. “People couldn’t write, and writings may have been destroyed.”

True, loss of records is always possible.
But historical reasoning doesn’t require every document to survive; it relies on patterns of surviving evidence.
We have abundant independent writings from Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Hittites, and the Canaanites covering the same eras as the events described in Genesis and Exodus.
Yet none of them mention:

A global flood destroying humanity.
Millions of Hebrew slaves leaving Egypt.
The sun standing still.

If those events occurred at the claimed scale, we’d expect some corroboration, not total silence.
The absence of corroborating data where it should exist counts as evidence against the events allegedly occurring, just as the absence of volcanic ash in Irish bogs disproves a supposed global eruption.

2. “Artefacts can be misinterpreted or faked.”

Yes, of course, archaeology demands caution.
That’s why genuine discoveries are published, peer-reviewed, replicated, and dated using multiple methods (radiocarbon, stratigraphy, thermoluminescence).
Claims that rely solely on what could have been destroyed or might have been faked are unfalsifiable - they can never be disproved, but they also can never be proved.
Science advances on positive evidence, not on hypothetical absence.

3. “Enemies destroy each other’s records, so Israel’s evidence would be gone.”

Enemies may destroy monuments and records, but they also record victories over one another.
Egyptian, Babylonian, and Assyrian inscriptions proudly list conquered peoples, but not once do they mention losing their armies in a sea, or being devastated by plagues, or witnessing a global flood.
Even if hostile sources suppressed Israel’s side, they wouldn’t suppress their own triumphs.

Regarding your modern analogy (Democrats vs. Trump):
Even today, despite hostility, vast records - tweets, photos, news archives, etc. remain. Destruction efforts never erase everything, especially across multiple cultures and languages.

4. “Inconsistencies come from poor reading comprehension.”

Some inconsistencies are indeed interpretive, but many are textual and historical, not semantic.
For example:

Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 differ on the order of creation (plants before humans vs. after).
Matthew and Luke list incompatible genealogies for Jesus.
Exodus 9:6 says all Egyptian livestock died, yet Exodus 9:19 describes surviving cattle later struck by hail.

These are not reading errors - they are internal contradictions typical of texts compiled from multiple oral traditions.

5. “A global flood wouldn’t leave uniform results.”

Agreed, it wouldn’t be identical everywhere.
But a flood covering all mountains would leave a globally synchronous sedimentary layer rich in mixed marine and terrestrial fossils of identical age.
We see no such layer.
Instead, we find ordered strata: marine fossils at the bottom, land animals above, mammals higher still - each with consistent radiometric ages spanning hundreds of millions of years.
Tree rings, ice cores, and coral reefs show continuous annual growth through the period the flood supposedly happened (~4,000 BCE), with no interruption.
That makes a worldwide flood physically impossible.

6. “Evidence for the sun standing still.”

You wrote that “similar stories exist,” and that this counts as evidence.
However, widespread mythic motifs - such as floods, plagues, or the sun halting - appear in many cultures precisely because humans share the same sky, fears, and imagination.
For example:

The Greek myth of Helios’ chariot stopping in the sky.
The Chinese tale of ten suns.
The Aztec story of darkness lasting days.

These show mythic resonance, not shared observation. No astronomical, geological, or ice-core evidence supports an event where Earth’s rotation paused. If it had, the sudden change in angular momentum would have caused global tsunamis and extinction-level devastation - none of which appear in the physical record.

7. Why this matters

It’s not that “God couldn’t do it,” but that extraordinary claims require proportionate evidence. If we excuse the lack of data by appealing to destruction, suppression, or divine concealment, then any story, of any religion, becomes equally “plausible.” That’s why historians apply the same evidentiary standard to the Bible as to Egyptian, Sumerian, or Mayan texts: corroboration, consistency, and physical traces.

Belief doesn’t need archaeology to be meaningful. But when a claim extends into the physical world - floods, plagues, halted sun and moon - it becomes testable. And when the test consistently fails, the intellectually honest response is not to lower the evidentiary bar, but to update our interpretation. That’s how knowledge grows without fear.

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Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pm ...
But historical reasoning doesn’t require every document to survive; it relies on patterns of surviving evidence...
If something is missing, people easily make wrong conclusions.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmWe have abundant independent writings from Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Hittites, and the Canaanites covering the same eras as the events described in Genesis and Exodus.
Yet none of them mention:
A global flood destroying humanity.
Millions of Hebrew slaves leaving Egypt.
The sun standing still.
When do you think the great flood happened? If all other but 8 people died, how would other nations cover the same event?

If the Exodus happened as told in the Bible, who would have been there to write it in Egypt?

What year do you think it was when the sun stood still?
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmEnemies may destroy monuments and records, but they also record victories over one another.
And if they lose, are dead or non existent, they do nothing.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmEgyptian, Babylonian, and Assyrian inscriptions proudly list conquered peoples, but not once do they mention losing their armies in a sea, or being devastated by plagues, or witnessing a global flood.
...
By what I see, people usually don't tell about their failures. And in a war or other catastrophe, it can be that there is no one left to write about it, either because of death, or because can't write.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmGenesis 1 and Genesis 2 differ on the order of creation (plants before humans vs. after).
Matthew and Luke list incompatible genealogies for Jesus.
Exodus 9:6 says all Egyptian livestock died, yet Exodus 9:19 describes surviving cattle later struck by hail.
Genesis 2 is not a creation story, if we are literate. It tells how God forms and plants, not about how God creates.

Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Yahweh God planted a garden eastward, in Eden, and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen. 2:7-8

And about the livestock. Exodus 9:19 doesn't say Egyptian cattle from Exodus 9:6 survived and was struct. It is possible that after Egyptian cattle was destroyed in Exodus 9:6 they bought new from the Jews right after that.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pm But a flood covering all mountains would leave a globally synchronous sedimentary layer rich in mixed marine and terrestrial fossils of identical age.
We see no such layer.
No it would not. For example the mountain areas, what ever sediments there would have been, they would have trickled down eventually after the flood. Also mountain tops would not be places where large animals would have easily been captured. We would more likely find large marine fossils from lower areas, where they could have been captured, when water level decreased and they would have been trapped.

There is no good reason to assume sedimentary layer rich in mixed marine and terrestrial fossils.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmInstead, we find ordered strata: marine fossils at the bottom, land animals above, mammals higher still - each with consistent radiometric ages spanning hundreds of millions of years.
Can you show an example, where do you find on one area those in order?
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmTree rings, ice cores, and coral reefs show continuous annual growth through the period the flood supposedly happened...
Sorry, I don't think that is true.
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmThese show mythic resonance, not shared observation. No astronomical, geological, or ice-core evidence supports an event where Earth’s rotation paused. If it had, the sudden change in angular momentum would have caused global tsunamis and extinction-level devastation - none of which appear in the physical record.
Sorry, I have no reason to believe it would not be possible without extinction-level devastation.

Do we even know that earth rotates? Can you prove it?

Can you show what do you think the angular moment was?
Compassionist wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 3:30 pmIt’s not that “God couldn’t do it,” but that extraordinary claims require proportionate evidence. If we excuse the lack of data by appealing to destruction, suppression, or divine concealment, then any story, of any religion, becomes equally “plausible.” ..
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[Replying to 1213 in post #6]

1. On missing records and destroyed evidence

“If something is missing, people easily make wrong conclusions.”

True - yet historical reasoning doesn’t require every record to survive, only that what does survive fits coherent, independently attested patterns. We possess tens of thousands of contemporaneous inscriptions, letters, and administrative tablets from Egypt, Sumer, the Hittites, Ugarit, and others. They cross-confirm eclipses, famines, wars, and even prices of grain - yet not one mentions a worldwide flood or an entire army drowning in a sea. If an event of global scope occurred, total silence across all literate civilizations is itself strong evidence against the event, not mere “missing data.”

2. On the Flood and who would write about it

“If all but eight died, who would have been there to write it?”

If no survivors existed outside the Ark, all linguistic and cultural diversity should have restarted from one family about 4,000 years ago. Genetic, linguistic, and archaeological data all contradict that: continuous population lines exist across Africa, China, and the Americas far earlier and uninterrupted. So the flood story functions as theology, not history.

3. On Exodus and Egyptian silence

“People don’t tell about their failures.”

Yet Egyptian, Babylonian, and Assyrian kings did record defeats and disasters. For instance, the Hittites described losing to Egypt at Qadesh; the Babylonians recorded defeats by the Medes. Moreover, mass death of the firstborn, plagues, and a vanished army would have had astronomical, economic, and administrative effects traceable in the surviving papyri. None appear.

4. On Genesis 1 vs 2

“Genesis 2 is not a creation story.”

Even conservative biblical scholars (e.g., the New Oxford Annotated Bible, Anchor Bible Dictionary) recognise Genesis 2 as an alternate creation account from a different source tradition (the Yahwist). The order of events and divine names differ. It explains how humans and plants came to be, which still qualifies as a creation narrative.

5. On the livestock contradiction

“Maybe they bought new cattle from the Jews.”

That’s ad-hoc reasoning. The text gives no hint of such rapid repurchasing between plagues. The simpler explanation - scribal inconsistency between overlapping plague traditions - fits the evidence better than speculative livestock markets during national catastrophe.

6. On the global flood sediment

“There is no reason to expect mixed fossils.”

Actually, there is. A flood that covered all mountains in one year would mix marine and terrestrial remains into a single chaotic layer worldwide. Instead, the geologic record shows hundreds of ordered strata with distinct fossil assemblages and radiometric ages consistent across continents. For example, the Grand Canyon sequence: Cambrian marine fossils at the base, terrestrial reptiles in Permian layers above, mammals only in Cenozoic strata. This global order is impossible to explain by a single transient flood.

7. On examples of ordered strata

“Can you show one area where they occur in order?”

Yes: the Morrison Formation (USA) lies above the Summerville (marine) and below the Cloverly (non-marine). Similar transitions occur in the UK’s Jurassic Coast, France’s Paris Basin, and China’s Yixian Formation. Radiometric dating, biostratigraphy, and fossil succession all independently confirm the same chronology.

8. On tree rings, ice cores, and coral reefs

Tree rings from the Bristlecone Pines (California) extend continuously back around 11,000 years; Greenland ice cores (GRIP, GISP2) have annual layers to around 120,000 years. None shows a global flood interruption 4,000 years ago.
Their isotopic continuity falsifies the notion of a planet-wide submersion.

9. On Earth’s rotation and physics

“Do we even know the Earth rotates? Can you prove it?”

Yes.

Foucault’s pendulum demonstrates Coriolis rotation. Satellites (GPS, geostationary orbits) require Earth’s angular velocity (~7.292 × 10⁻⁵ rad/s). Stellar parallax and time-lapse star trails show consistent rotation independent of observer belief. Angular momentum ( L = Iω ), where ( I ≈ 8.04×10^{37} ,kg·m² ). Halting rotation even briefly would release kinetic energy on the order of ( 2×10^{29} ) J - millions of times all nuclear weapons on Earth - producing global extinction. No such layer of devastation exists.

10. On “Everything is plausible until proven otherwise”

No, possibility is not plausibility. Anything imaginable is possible in principle; what is plausible depends on evidence and prior probability. When a claim contradicts well-tested physics and lacks corroboration, rational belief remains suspended until proportionate evidence appears.

The Flood, Exodus, and Joshua stories lack external corroboration.
Geological, genetic, and astronomical data contradict literal readings.
Proposing unrecorded miracles as explanations is unfalsifiable and therefore uninformative.
Scientific and historical methods rely on convergent, independently verifiable data - not ad-hoc conjecture or divine exceptions.

Withholding belief until such convergence appears isn’t arrogance or prejudice; it is intellectual honesty.

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1213 wrote: Mon Oct 13, 2025 2:24 am
Compassionist wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 11:57 am Can you please provide evidence for the following Biblical events?
To know what can be counted as evidence, please show one example of evidence for something that happened 4,000 years ago that you accept.
I can’t speak for Compassionist, but here’s my answer: the spread of agriculture across Eurasia (especially to Europe and East Asia). It happened around 4,000 years ago and left behind some strong physical evidence (source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180950400/). Also, the building of Egypt’s pyramids happened around that time, and there is very strong physical evidence for them (they still exist and have been studied exhaustively).

Do your Biblical miracles have similar evidence behind them?
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Haven wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 5:15 pm
1213 wrote: Mon Oct 13, 2025 2:24 am
Compassionist wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 11:57 am Can you please provide evidence for the following Biblical events?
To know what can be counted as evidence, please show one example of evidence for something that happened 4,000 years ago that you accept.
I can’t speak for Compassionist, but here’s my answer: the spread of agriculture across Eurasia (especially to Europe and East Asia). It happened around 4,000 years ago and left behind some strong physical evidence (source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180950400/). Also, the building of Egypt’s pyramids happened around that time, and there is very strong physical evidence for them (they still exist and have been studied exhaustively).

Do your Biblical miracles have similar evidence behind them?
It is interesting that some claim pyramids are much older. But, about Biblical miracles, I think it depends on what miracle we are talking about. Many of them are such that would not leave clear physical evidence.

But, one of the miracles that comes to my mind is for example the split rock that can be found at Rephidim (Ex. 17:5-6).

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There is also an altar on the hill of Rephidim, close to the split stone, which fits to the Biblical story.

Also the black mountain top of Mt. Sinai (the Jabal Al Lawz mountain ridge), the result of "And the mountain of Sinai was smoking, all of it, because Jehovah came down on it in fire. And its smoke went up like the smoke of a furnace; and the mountain quaked exceedingly". Ex. 19:18.
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There is also other evidence for the Exodus story in that area. If you are interested, I recommend to read the Exodus case by Dr. Lennart Möller. I think his book is very good in presenting evidence for the Biblical story.

Interesting thing is also the corals structures with bronze that can be found from eastern coastline of Yam Suph (Gulf of Aqaba), which looks like remains of Egyptian stuff washed on the shore after Jews had crossed the water. And yes, this obviously means that many archaeologists have been digging in the wrong place. :D
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Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pm … Egypt, Sumer, the Hittites, Ugarit, and others. They cross-confirm eclipses, famines, wars, and even prices of grain - yet not one mentions a worldwide flood or an entire army drowning in a sea. …
Difficult to write, if one doesn’t exist. If the entire army drowned, who of them would write a story about it? Is it reasonable to expect dead people tell their tale?
Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pmIf no survivors existed outside the Ark, all linguistic and cultural diversity should have restarted from one family about 4,000 years ago. Genetic, linguistic, and archaeological data all contradict that: continuous population lines exist across Africa, China, and the Americas far earlier and uninterrupted. So the flood story functions as theology, not history.
The Hopi legends may be true and some people might have actually survived the flood underground. But, if we assume only the 8 survived, I believe it was about 6000 years ago. And for example by what I know, there is a genetic bottle neck from that time in humans. And no evidence of continuous population from before that.
Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pm The text gives no hint of such rapid repurchasing between plagues. …
But it would be logical to assume Egyptians wanted something to eat after the plague. And it would also be one explanation for why Jews became richer and Egyptians poorer.
Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pm A flood that covered all mountains in one year would mix marine and terrestrial remains into a single chaotic layer worldwide…
Depending on how the flood happened. If it happened as told in the Bible, it would have left the result we can see.
Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pm“Can you show one area where they occur in order?”

Yes: the Morrison Formation (USA) lies above the Summerville (marine) and below the Cloverly (non-marine). Similar transitions occur in the UK’s Jurassic Coast, France’s Paris Basin, and China’s Yixian Formation. Radiometric dating, biostratigraphy, and fossil succession all independently confirm the same chronology.
Thank you! Unfortunately I didn't find any image showing fossils neatly stacked in right order in some hill.
Compassionist wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:09 pm Foucault’s pendulum demonstrates Coriolis rotation. Satellites (GPS, geostationary orbits) require Earth’s angular velocity (~7.292 × 10⁻⁵ rad/s). Stellar parallax and time-lapse star trails show consistent rotation independent of observer belief. ...
Foucault's pendulum can also be explained by sun and moons gravity, the same way as tide.

Satellites work, if they are in right relation. Velocity can be wrong, if some other information is also wrong.

Stellar parallax could also be result of something else that just doesn't fit to current idea of world.
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