Council of Nicaea

[placebofactor]

After reading the following, bring your argument forward concerning the history and authenticity of (your) Bible. But base your comments on facts, not theory, assumptions, or wishful thinking.

I continue to hear these ridiculous comments concerning the Latin Vulgate, its writers, and the Divinity of Jesus Christ. If anyone possessed any of the early letters or manuscripts, it would have been the bishops of the council of Nicaea. Some of these men had come out of Roman persecution and torture.

Before Constantine, Diocletian the Caesar of Rome led the most severe crackdown and persecutions of Christians in the Roman Empire. In 303 A.D., he issued edicts stripping Christians of legal rights and demanding they sacrifice to Roman gods. Later decrees targeted clergy and ordered universal sacrifices. His persecutions varied in intensity, with the harshest measures in the Eastern provinces. Many of the bishops came out of Diocletian's persecutions.

Some of the oldest surviving manuscripts include the Codex Vaticanus (300–305 AD) and Codex Sinaiticus (330–360 AD), both in Greek. The Codex Vaticanus is one of the oldest and most important manuscripts of the Bible, dating back to the 4th century A.D. It was produced by scribes in Alexandria, Egypt, but those who copied it remain unknown. The manuscript is written in Greek and housed in the Vatican Library.
There’s also the Aleppo Codex (930 AD) and The Leningrad Codex (1008 A.D.); both written in Hebrew.

The Vulgate was a Latin translation of the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament, originally completed in the late 4th century.

The first widespread edition of the Bible was assembled by Jerome around A.D. 400. Jerome was a Christian scholar, theologian, and translator who lived in the 4th and 5th centuries. His version is known as the Vulgate. It was in Latin because the language of the civilized world was Latin. He gathered his information for the Vulgate from a variety of sources. For the Old Testament, he relied on Hebrew manuscripts rather than the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures), which had been widely used by early Christians. He believed that returning to the Hebrew text would provide a more faithful rendering.

For the New Testament, he worked with existing Latin manuscripts and compared them to Greek sources to refine the translation. Additionally, he consulted earlier Christian scholars and letters, including those of Origen and Eusebius, to ensure accuracy. His meticulous approach helped establish the Vulgate as the standard Latin Bible for centuries.

By the year 325 A.D. there were three religious groups, the Romans and their pagan gods, the Jews, and Christianity.

The council of Nicaea came together in 325 A.D. by Emperor Constantine. He assembled bishops from 33 areas of the Roman Empire. To name a few, bishops came from Cyprus, Asia, Mesopotamia, Arabia, Phoenicia, Palestine, Libya, Spain, Rome, Greece, Egypt, and Lycia. The number of bishops in attendance is 318. The council produced the Nicene Creed, affirming the divinity of Christ, and established 20 canons addressing church discipline.

The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD was attended by several influential bishops who played key roles in shaping early Christian doctrine. Some of the most notable figures included:
Hosius of Corduba – A trusted advisor to Emperor Constantine, he presided over the council and was instrumental in opposing Arianism.
Alexander of Alexandria – A strong opponent of Arianism, he defended the belief in Christ’s divinity.
Eusebius of Caesarea – Known as the "Father of Church History," he was a prominent scholar and theologian.
Eustathius of Antioch – A staunch supporter of Nicene orthodoxy, he later faced opposition from Arian sympathizers.
Macarius of Jerusalem – Played a role in discussions about church doctrine and discipline.
Jacob of Nisibis – A revered bishop known for his ascetic lifestyle and theological contributions.
The council was a defining moment in Christian history, establishing foundational beliefs that continue to shape Christianity today.

The Gutenberg Bible was the first mass-produced Bible using the printing press. It was created by Johannes Gutenberg the inventor of the printing press in the 1450s in Mainz, Germany. Johannes Gutenberg used the Latin Vulgate Bible as the text for his famous Gutenberg Bible, printed in the 1450s. Before the Gutenberg Bible came out, there were only two other Bibles available besides the Vulgate, they were the Wycliffe Bible (1380s-1395), the first complete English translation of the Bible. It was translated from the Latin Vulgate and faced opposition from the early Church. Wycliffe’s work ultimately influenced later translations, including the Tyndale Bible and the King James Version.

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Mr. tygger2 what conclusion have you drawn? Is Jesus the Almighty of Revelation 1:8 as he stated himself, or not?

Is he the Creator of the heaven and the earth of Colossians 1:16?

John wrote, "the Word (Jesus) was God. So, is John, right?

Is Jesus "Emmanuel, "God with us"? like Matthew 1:23 states.

Is he "God manifest in the flesh," like K.J.V. 1 Timothy 3:16, said he is?

Even his Father called him God in Hebrews 1:8.

Isaiah calls him the "Everlasting Father, and the mighty God" in 9:6.

When Thomas put his finger in the Lord's wound, he looked up at him and said to him, "John 20:28, My Lord and my God."

Or do we believe the renegade bishop Arius? and the cults that strip Jesus our, Lord, God, and Savior of his Divinity? Speak to me!

[historia]

I continue to hear these ridiculous comments concerning the Latin Vulgate, its writers, and the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

Can you give us an example of these comments, so we might know what this thread is about?

[placebofactor]

I continue to hear these ridiculous comments concerning the Latin Vulgate, its writers, and the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

Can you give us an example of these comments, so we might know what this thread is about?

Here are your own words:

"If there is one thing I would like to enjoin upon both the KJV Onlyists and the Jehovah's Witnesses who frequent this form it's this: Please update your scholarship! For some odd reason, you both like to quote scholarship from the late-19th and early-20th century, even when that scholarship has been superseded by newer, better research.

My so-called scholarship is based on the old, 17th, 18th, and 19th century scholars and commentators that have included the Latin Vulgate as one of their sources of information. And if you go through the hundreds of posts, you will find, especially the cults continually claiming all the Bibles are wrong except theirs. That would include the Latin Vulgate, the Bishop's Bible, Wycliff, and the K.J.B. By the way, did you like my article?