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Inerrant or Not?

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RugMatic wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:52 am I don't believe the Bible is inerrant. It doesn't claim to be. I'm not a fundamentalist, and fundamentalism is a fairly recent faction in Christendom. They can defend their own position.
Seems this would be a settled topic among believers by now. And yet, for as many Christians as I engage, some claim inerrancy, while some do not. Can we settle this topic once and for all?

For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?

To add more concise substance, I'm not a believer. The question is posed to ask if the writers of the Bible intended for their given writings to be taken literally and accurately? Can we know?
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POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm
RugMatic wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:52 am I don't believe the Bible is inerrant. It doesn't claim to be. I'm not a fundamentalist, and fundamentalism is a fairly recent faction in Christendom. They can defend their own position.
Seems this would be a settled topic among believers by now. And yet, for as many Christians as I engage, some claim inerrancy, while some do not. Can we settle this topic once and for all?

For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?

To add more concise substance, I'm not a believer. The question is posed to ask if the writers of the Bible intended for their given writings to be taken literally? Can we know?
I was watching YouTube a few minutes ago and T. D. Jakes said, believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established, believe the prophets, so shall ye prosper, 2 Chronicles 20:20. Have you read the prophecies?

When God's talking there's no errors and the prophets predictions happened as predicted. Its not about if people had errors its about God's talking to prophets.

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POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?
I argue the question is a false dilemma. It's neither. I touched on this in Is it necessary for the Bible to be inerrant?

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POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm
RugMatic wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:52 am I don't believe the Bible is inerrant. It doesn't claim to be. I'm not a fundamentalist, and fundamentalism is a fairly recent faction in Christendom. They can defend their own position.
Seems this would be a settled topic among believers by now. And yet, for as many Christians as I engage, some claim inerrancy, while some do not. Can we settle this topic once and for all?

For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?

To add more concise substance, I'm not a believer. The question is posed to ask if the writers of the Bible intended for their given writings to be taken literally? Can we know?
Can we know that the Bible inerrant or not? My answer, biblically, is yes, we can know. i believe that the Bible claims to be inerrant. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version:
"16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
It’s breathed by God, how can it contain error? Of course, not everything is meant to be taken literally because there is also poetry, parables, etc. But the Bible is meant to be useful, to equip us. I think 'error' would not help that purpose.

2 Peter 1:20-21
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"20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
Jesus Himself saying in Matthew 5:18, “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” He is referring to the Old Testament, basically saying it was precise, down to the smallest detail, until their purpose is fulfilled. And who write these books? Moses, David, Solomon and others. Are they human? Yes, but they are inspired by God's divine will.

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POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?
If no one can prove it errant, it remains inerrant.
POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pmThe question is posed to ask if the writers of the Bible intended for their given writings to be taken literally? Can we know?
If something is not meant to be taken literally, it is shown in the Bible.
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BrotherBerry wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 5:46 pm
POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm
RugMatic wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:52 am I don't believe the Bible is inerrant. It doesn't claim to be. I'm not a fundamentalist, and fundamentalism is a fairly recent faction in Christendom. They can defend their own position.
Seems this would be a settled topic among believers by now. And yet, for as many Christians as I engage, some claim inerrancy, while some do not. Can we settle this topic once and for all?

For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?

To add more concise substance, I'm not a believer. The question is posed to ask if the writers of the Bible intended for their given writings to be taken literally? Can we know?
I was watching YouTube a few minutes ago and T. D. Jakes said, believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established, believe the prophets, so shall ye prosper, 2 Chronicles 20:20. Have you read the prophecies?

When God's talking there's no errors and the prophets predictions happened as predicted. Its not about if people had errors its about God's talking to prophets.

Psalm 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet. <------Prophecy crucifixion.

I'll check back later. Gotta go make some $$$.
Is the Bible inerrant, or not? And once you plant your flag, please state why?
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otseng wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:06 pm
POI wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:13 pm For debate: Is the Bible inerrant or not? And how exactly do we know?
I argue the question is a false dilemma. It's neither. I touched on this in Is it necessary for the Bible to be inerrant?
Okay, what's the conclusion then? Which parts are, and which parts are not?
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POI wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:41 am Okay, what's the conclusion then? Which parts are, and which parts are not?
Before continuing, how are you defining the Bible and inerrant?

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otseng wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:10 am
POI wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:41 am Okay, what's the conclusion then? Which parts are, and which parts are not?
Before continuing, how are you defining the Bible and inerrant?
At this point, I'll just take a running tally. So far, some are claiming inerrancy. And maybe others are not. I really have no skin in the game myself, but would at least really like to know if the authors meant for the said storylines to be taken as literal, as written, or not? We can start with Genesis. Are the stories expressed in Genesis meant to be taken literally?
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POI wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:33 am
otseng wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 6:10 am
POI wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:41 am Okay, what's the conclusion then? Which parts are, and which parts are not?
Before continuing, how are you defining the Bible and inerrant?
At this point, I'll just take a running tally. So far, some are claiming inerrancy. And maybe others are not. I really have no skin in the game myself, but would at least really like to know if the authors meant for the said storylines to be taken as literal, as written, or not? We can start with Genesis. Are the stories expressed in Genesis meant to be taken literally?
You didn't answer my question. If you're going to ask if the Bible inerrant or not, then we need to know what you mean by the Bible and being inerrant. Or at least what you think Christians mean by the Bible and being inerrant.

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