God is everyone?

[Purple Knight]

It is pretty obvious that God is supposed to be male. It is Adam who is made in his image.

That begs the question: Does God have a penis? If so what is it for? If he has one, then he is not only male but the male of his species, because if he's perfect and he has one, it has to be for something and must go somewhere and therefore there must be more of those things. It's just that none of them created Earth or humans.

[JehovahsWitness]

It is pretty obvious that God is supposed to be male....

Not to me it's not. I completely disagree. For bible believing Christians God is a spirit. SPIRITS are (according to Christian theology) neither biological males nor biological females , not being biological at all but rather spiritual.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


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[gadfly]

By "god" you seem to mean the Judaeo Christian deity as described in the Hebrew/Christian Bible.

This is an important distinction: there are other religions, after all.

In the Hebrew Bible, both man and woman are depicted as in the image of God. So you are wrong when you say it is only Adam.

The question regarding God's actual gender is a great start into theological/philosophical studies. Keep it up! Keep Exploring! (Unless of course you are just being arrogant...in which case, shoot, you have a long list of geniuses standing against you).

[1213]

It is pretty obvious that God is supposed to be male. It is Adam who is made in his image.

That begs the question: Does God have a penis? If so what is it for? If he has one, then he is not only male but the male of his species, because if he's perfect and he has one, it has to be for something and must go somewhere and therefore there must be more of those things. It's just that none of them created Earth or humans.

Bible tells God is a spirit and love.

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8
We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
1 John 4:16

So, I don't think He is a man the same way a human is. I think He is the Father, because He has fathered. That does not necessary mean He needs to be biologically like a human.

And actually, I think you are trying to make an image of the God, which is not allowed in the Bible.

You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of any-thing that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exod. 20:4-6

[Purple Knight]

So, I don't think He is a man the same way a human is. I think He is the Father, because He has fathered. That does not necessary mean He needs to be biologically like a human.

And actually, I think you are trying to make an image of the God, which is not allowed in the Bible.

I understand it sounds sleazy to wonder whether he has... that... but it's a question of basic biology, and it shouldn't be sleazy. If it is, that's because we make it so.

I do tend to think, though, that someone who progenerates an entire species, in the way you're talking about, would be by default, a mother and not a father. If God is not that default, it might indicate he's male the same way Adam is male. If this is true, it's interesting to think about what the females of God's species would be like. Potentially not like Eve. Maybe just receptacles that are barely even alive.

It's totally understandable if God doesn't want us to know what his species is like. At the same time, seeking any knowledge without ill intent cannot be wrong.

Not to me it's not. I completely disagree. For bible believing Christians God is a spirit. SPIRITS are (according to Christian theology) neither biological males nor biological females, not being biological at all but rather spiritual.

There's no reason spirits can't need another of their species, but different in some way, to generate more spirits. It would be less male and female though, and more, one and another.

What's weird is how God made Adam in God's likeness. Not Eve, Adam. There is some way Adam is more like God than Eve. Now you can argue, since God is a spirit, and Adam and Eve only differ bodily, God is like Adam and Eve equally.

But if it were really all this neutral it's hard to believe male would come before female. The male has something, and it goes somewhere specific, and it has a function that does not exist without the female. But a female without a male has no useless bits. She might as well give virgin birth to more females, and no parts would be without a function. And indeed, some lizards do this. They are perfectly fine, though they would probably prefer to be able to have access to recombination (in other words, Lizard A has immunity to disease A, Lizard B to disease B, and since they can't mate with one another, they can't put both immunities in the same individual) but nonetheless they do okay. I would like to see a species of all male lizards do the same.

Besides, at one point in the Old Testament, doesn't God come down and have people wash his feet? He also physically wrestles with someone who I believe is male. This would be a bit weird if God didn't favour a male body.

[1213]

...At the same time, seeking any knowledge without ill intent cannot be wrong.

I can agree with that. And I think we have knowledge about God in the Bible. According to it, God is spirit. Maybe it would be good to think what it means.

Besides, at one point in the Old Testament, doesn't God come down and have people wash his feet? He also physically wrestles with someone who I believe is male. This would be a bit weird if God didn't favour a male body.

I would like to see the scripture that tells God came down and had His feet washed. The wrestle part i know and according to it, the person was a man who called himself god. Doesn't really mean He was the one and only true God, I think.

[JehovahsWitness]

Not to me it's not. I completely disagree. For bible believing Christians God is a spirit. SPIRITS are (according to Christian theology) neither biological males nor biological females, not being biological at all but rather spiritual.

There's no reason spirits can't need another of their species, but different in some way, to generate more spirits.

Except that is not what scripture says and there is nothing in the bible that indicates that was the case. Jesus specifically stated that there is no marriage in heaven and the only intelligent species he told to reproduce was humans.


Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just stating what the scriptures say. Of course you can make an argument from silence : matian intervention, fairy dust , telepathic reproduction...but if we stick to scripture such an interpretation is not really tenable.







JW

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The above is specifically used ONLY to show what the bible says and what Christianity says.

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[JehovahsWitness]

What's weird is how God made Adam in God's likeness.

Biblically that is not the case. Are you claiming your statement reflects Christian theology?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


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NOTE I hereby state for the record the above comment contains an unsupported Bible reference, that is considered no more authoritative than unsupported quotations from any other book in this forum.

The above is specifically used ONLY to show what the bible says and what Christianity says.

==================================

This post is NOY for the purpose if having a theological discussion but to propose a possible response to the OP. I am making no claim , nor is the bible reference for the purpose of proving that Christianity is true.
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[William]

[Purple Knight]

I would like to see the scripture that tells God came down and had His feet washed. The wrestle part i know and according to it, the person was a man who called himself god. Doesn't really mean He was the one and only true God, I think.

It's in Genesis. I don't know why it's so hard to find. (I think I feel exactly as silly as I should searching the Bible for "feet" only knowing roughly where it was.)

18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
18:3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

Upon re-reading it looks like Abraham may well have washed the feet of the three messengers, but he's talking to the Lord specifically and saying, let me wash your feet, which if it is the case that he washed the feet of the messengers, is insanely confusing. It does say the divine messengers are men.

See now, if I was dishonest I'd have just put 18:3 and 18:4.

What's weird is how God made Adam in God's likeness.

Biblically that is not the case.

That's fine, but then why would male come before female? Female is 100% functional without male, potentially. It is male that has all these useless bits unless there is a female to use them on. The female has nothing useless without the male, and whiptail lizards prove it.

Why do humans elevate the male above the female? If God is real then I can only think they were made this way. A very good reason might be, God is male. In a vacuum female is actually better than male, because it has objectively more function. The male is just icing, allowing recombination, but it is no good without the female, but the female gets along perfectly fine without the male.

I'm not saying this proves anything. I admit it's abductive reasoning, which is traditionally thought of as weak. However, one has to struggle to explain these things which can be explained very simply if God is male.

There being no marriage in Heaven may well mean that love is no longer jealous.