Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses involved in child abuse

[Tcg]

Catholics aren't the only Christians guilty of child abuse:

"How child abuse goes unchecked for Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses

A reckoning is taking place in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses as stories emerge of child sex abuse.

Years ago, outrage erupted over how the Catholic Church allowed such abuse to go unchecked, but fewer may be aware of how other faiths are covering up abuse in their ranks.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are reportedly making use of a legal exemption for clergy which allows abuse to go unreported. The exemption dictates that religious members who hear about abuse through confession are not required to report it to authorities."

https://the1a.org/segments/how-child-ab ... witnesses/

Why would anyone who cares about the health and welfare of children support either of these groups of people?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Unfortunately no organisation (religious or otherwise) can protect themselves entirely from child abuse, so it is unsurprising that there are cases amongst the Jehovahs Witness numbers.

That said, there is absolutely no basis to insinuate child abuse is tolerated in their ranks or to insinuate (as the discussion question does) that to be one of Jehovah's Witness (or support that organisation) equates to supporting the harming of children.

The reality of the facts is that few organisations (religions or otherwise) ¤ have done more to educate and protect their membership (especially children) from the the dangers of sexual predators.

The Jehovah's Witness society conform to all legal requirements to report allegations of crimes brought to their attention and this without exception. NOTE: Unlike the Catholic faith, Jehovahs Witnesses do not have a policy of " priest-penitent privilege" which requires information obtained during confession to be kept secret. Any suggestion that such a policy exists in the JW faith is simply false. Paragraphe 5 in the Jehovahs Witness policy document states...

Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason - source below

FURTHER READING Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Scripturally Based Position on Child Protectionhttps://www.jw.org/en/gov-resources/glo ... rotection/

There is absolutely no evidence that the numbers of child abuse cases allegations and/or convictions amongst JW are any higher than the general population. And although improvements have had to be made as the plague of sexual abuse has increased worldwide, Jehovah's Witnesses can be proud of their organisation for its in-house policy and educational efforts.

¤ For example, Clear guidelines for best practice the interventions of social workers against ‘family abuse’, were not established in the Unted States until the 1990s. source: Child welfare, child protection and sexual abuse, 1918-1990- Lucy Delap | 30 July 2015https://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy ... -1918-1990

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[POI]

there is absolutely no basis to insinuate child abuse is tolerated in their ranks or that to be one of Jehovahs Witness is to support the harming of children.

Hmm?

It took me about three seconds to find this:

http://revealnews.org/topic/jehovahs-witnesses/

[POI]

And although improvements have had to be made as the plague of sexual abuse has increased worldwide, Jehovah's Witnesses can be proud of their organisation for its in-house policy and educational efforts.

Right, shun those who fall away from the faith, deny life-saving blood transfusions, and cover up sex crimes where applicable. Got it.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2]

Hah. I have seen plenty of reports of dirty stuff in the JWs and cover ups and coming down hard on anyone who rocks the boat. For sure, anywhere in any organisation, there will be those who take advantage, but Religion (aside that we expect better)is too prone to cover this stuff up, and that's the real problem.

I don't give a damn for the JW position on child abuse'. Anyone can give a PR statement and then go right on doing it and covering it up.

[1213]

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Why would anyone who cares about the health and welfare of children support either of these groups of people?

Jesus said:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

What do you think, should Christians sunk the pedophiles with a milestone on their neck?

[Tcg]

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Why would anyone who cares about the health and welfare of children support either of these groups of people?

Jesus said:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

What do you think, should Christians sunk the pedophiles with a milestone on their neck?

What I think is that this reply doesn't address the question for debate. That question is "Why would anyone who cares about the health and welfare of children support either of these groups of people?"


Tcg

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]

Well, we've got one answer. One reason anyone who cares about the health and welfare of children support either of these groups of people is because they deny the reality of the facts involved in this situation. They are willing to sacrifice the health and welfare of children in order to support a corrupt organization.


Tcg

[Purple Knight]

For sure, anywhere in any organisation, there will be those who take advantage, but Religion (aside that we expect better) is too prone to cover this stuff up, and that's the real problem.

I wonder if any studies have been done on frequency of molestation by different organisations. I would expect religious organisations to be at or near the top, but closely followed by any organisations where individuals not biologically related to the child are given authority over large clumps of children, when the parent may not be present. Boy Scouts, for example. I would not expect public schools to be in the running however, because they swing hard away on this one and dump teachers who have even been accused of diddling, even if the accusation is false.

I would prefer to compare like to like, before I say religion is the rotten apple. So to compare a religious organisation that gives biologically unrelated individuals unsupervised authority over, and access to, lots of children, to a nonreligious organisation that does the same.

Jesus said:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

What do you think, should Christians sunk the pedophiles with a milestone on their neck?

I don't wanna tell you to do it (at least, not seriously) because I imagine that constitutes calling for violence and will get me banned. Hypothetically however, all it would take is a couple times and those diddlers will turn away from your kingdom halls in fear, rather than infest them because they think, aha, here, I can get away with it.

What I say seriously is that when one is caught, the consequences need to be serious. Don't tolerate these people. Don't say, well, I shouldn't be so suspicious, we're all brothers here. I'll tell you right now, no you ain't, because if those fiends thought they were going to Hell for it, they wouldn't do it. They think you're stupid/trusting and can get away with it. Prove them wrong.

If one of 'em diddles, you CANNOT forgive. Kick them out and don't accept them back, ever. You can forgive them in your heart if that helps you sleep at night, but the safety of your children comes first.

[JehovahsWitness]

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I would prefer to compare ... a religious organisation that gives biologically unrelated individuals unsupervised authority over, and access to, lots of children, to a nonreligious organisation that does the same.

Jehovahs Witness directive #7

7. Congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not separate children from their parents for
the purpose of instruction or other activities. (Ephesians 6:4) For example, our congregations
do not provide or sponsor orphanages, Sunday schools, sports clubs, day-care centers, youth
groups, or other activities that separate children from their parents.

source: Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Scripturally Based Position on Child Protectionhttps://www.jw.org/en/gov-resources/glo ... rotection/

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