Trinity Doctrine Always Taught - Never Discovered by Only Reading the Bible

[2timothy316]

I came across a very interesting read.
https://www.trinityexamined.com/why-no- ... initarian/

It is a VERY long explanation as to why one person abandoned the trinity doctrine. There is one particular sentence that really stood out.

"No one today became a Trinitarian from reading the Bible alone. The doctrine of the Trinity is “learned theology.” So if you are a Trinitarian, just like myself, you didn’t learn this doctrine from the Bible."

Is there anyone out there who by just reading the Bible alone and no outside influence teaching them the trinity, became a trinitarian? Please post on this thread if you have. I'd like to know how you came to conclusion that God is a triune God. If you were taught the trinity and didn't come by it on your own, then I'm not looking for a discussion with you.

[2timothy316]

I can't see the last reply because that poster is blocked from my view and can't see what they post. I don't need to see what they said. None the less, they are an influencer for the trinity not what the OP is looking for. Certainly it is more smoke to detract from what the OP is looking for as they offer more excuses.

Until someone comes forth as a person that has read the Bible with no outside influence, and that person thinks there is a trinity, the OP is true.

Any person that has been TAUGHT the trinity shouldn't be replying to this thread. Their comments will be ignored. I consider the more a person tries to influence the trinity the more desperate that person is.

[onewithhim]

At least with 144,000 that IS in the Bible and some might want to know what that means.

Well, it seems clear as to what the 144k is referring to in the Bible...dont know what would cause one to go beyond what it clearly states...but hey, false doctrine must come from somewhere.

The word trinity has how many mentions in Bible? Zero.

Yeah, and the word "grandfather" has how many mentions in the Bible? Zero.

Therefore, Abraham cannot be said to have been the grandfather of Jacob...because after all, the word "grandfather" is not mentioned in the Bible.

Foolishness.

Obviously, it isn't about the word, it is about the concept.

And while the word "Trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible, the concept certainly is.

I also don't recall "The Watchtower and Tract Society" being mentioned in the Bible.

So let's throw that away as well.

Someone must come along and influence them. That means the trinity isn't Bible based.

Negative. In Phiny the Younger's account to the emperor (on how to deal with those pesky Christians), he stated that Christians sang hymns to Christ as if to a god.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_t ... Christians

And this is coming from a pagan.

Sounds Christ was already looked at as a god..and since Christians are monotheistic....GOD.

And this is before the Bible was created.

Early Trinitarian stuff here.

It's an outside influence. A group made it up and then went to look for text to support it 1700 years ago. NOT the other way around. No one reads about the trinity and then goes seeking someone to explain it. If anything trinitarians miss this point and have no defense against it.

It doesn't matter who "made it up" or who "discovered it", or who "influenced it".

All that matters is; is it Biblical.

Trinitarians say yes.

Take note, that only those TAUGHT the trinity are replying to this thread and none who have read the Bible alone have come forth to tell us how they came to the conclusion there is a trinity. Until someone does, the point stands. The trinity is ALWAYS taught and never discovered by only reading the Bible. No one seeks out what the trinity means by reading the Bible only. Those that influence the trinity are still trying to influence even when the thread is not about them.

That would be a fine point if it weren't for the fact that JWs are not only taught what to believe in the scriptures, but they are also discouraged (and in some cases, forbidden) from independent thinking outside of The Watchtower and Tract Society.

That is absolutely not true. We are never discouraged from thinking outside of the Watchtower Society. They themselves read just about everything that comes along and thus, so do Christian Witnesses of Jehovah. There is much in history that we can learn, and we are not discouraged. The word "Forbidden" doesn't apply at all.

[2timothy316]

That is absolutely not true. We are never discouraged from thinking outside of the Watchtower Society. They themselves read just about everything that comes along and thus, so do Christian Witnesses of Jehovah. There is much in history that we can learn, and we are not discouraged. The word "Forbidden" doesn't apply at all.

See how they keep trying to change the subject. They don't want to talk about that they still can't produce a person that learned the trinity on their own. Or even produce a person that has read the Bible with no outside influence and went seeking answers about a trinity.

[SiNcE_1985]

That is absolutely not true. We are never discouraged from thinking outside of the Watchtower Society.

Watchtower publications says otherwise, OWH.

Please don't tempt me to post quotes and provide references of those publications.

They themselves read just about everything that comes along and thus, so do Christian Witnesses of Jehovah. There is much in history that we can learn, and we are not discouraged. The word "Forbidden" doesn't apply at all.

Well, maybe forbidden is too strong of a word...but let's just say it is next door to discouraged, but in the same zip code as forbidden.

[onewithhim]

That is absolutely not true. We are never discouraged from thinking outside of the Watchtower Society.

Watchtower publications says otherwise, OWH.

Please don't tempt me to post quotes and provide references of those publications.

They themselves read just about everything that comes along and thus, so do Christian Witnesses of Jehovah. There is much in history that we can learn, and we are not discouraged. The word "Forbidden" doesn't apply at all.

Well, maybe forbidden is too strong of a word...but let's just say it is next door to discouraged, but in the same zip code as forbidden.

So you are an ex Jehovah's Witness?

[SiNcE_1985]

So you are an ex Jehovah's Witness?

No, but I have cousins that are active JW's.

Plus, I've heard personal testimony from ex JW's and have read excerpts of the Watchtower literature myself.

[onewithhim]

That is absolutely not true. We are never discouraged from thinking outside of the Watchtower Society.

Watchtower publications says otherwise, OWH.

Please don't tempt me to post quotes and provide references of those publications.

They themselves read just about everything that comes along and thus, so do Christian Witnesses of Jehovah. There is much in history that we can learn, and we are not discouraged. The word "Forbidden" doesn't apply at all.

Well, maybe forbidden is too strong of a word...but let's just say it is next door to discouraged, but in the same zip code as forbidden.

I don't know how you can be so critical of Jehovah's Witnesses, because, as I said, the brothers that put together the Watchtower and other literature read a lot of stuff from non-JW sources. Historical, scientific, and current news. Why would they "discourage" us from reading the same things? They don't.

[SiNcE_1985]

I don't know how you can be so critical of Jehovah's Witnesses, because, as I said, the brothers that put together the Watchtower and other literature read a lot of stuff from non-JW sources. Historical, scientific, and current news. Why would they "discourage" us from reading the same things? They don't.

Hmm.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/ ... r-churches

"It is not explicitly stated in print as far as I'm aware. But it is alluded to. Just a few years ago there was a kingdom ministry article that advised JWs on what to say to "tactfully" refuse christian literature given to them by a householder.

They regard literature from other churches as spiritual poison that can lead them away from the truth if they read it. They also equate accepting such literature with giving moral support to "Babylon the Great", the world empire of false religion. A JW who persists in reading or listening to religious material from other churches would be regarded as being spiritually unclean and would likely be disqualified from having any privileges in the congregation at the very least, possibly even disfellowshipped for apostasy or interfaith activities depending on the particular case and the disposition of the elders.

When offered literature by other christians most JWs would refuse giving excuses like:

"We do not exchange literature"

"We came to your house to offer you our literature so if you want us to accept yours then you have to come to our house to offer us" (yes i've actually heard that very petty and infantile reasoning from a JW)

"We are not looking for the truth we already have the truth so we see no need to accept your literature"

"We only accept literature that talks about God's kingdom" (this is the lying excuse that the KM article suggested they use to decline literature offered to them by other christians)

A few JWs will accept the literature only to discard it at the nearest bin when out of sight of the householder."

......

That^..

Or this..

https://www.bible.ca/Jw-internet.htm

Plethora of info on the forbiddeness that you may/may not be aware of.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #1]

Trinity is not a Biblical word.

However,

Father, Son and Holly Spirit are ONE God. There are many Scriptures which support this doctrine.

May God give you a heart that desires HIS truth and not yours or anyone else’s.

Kate

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #1]

Trinity is not a Biblical word.

However,

Father, Son and Holly Spirit are ONE God. There are many Scriptures which support this doctrine.

May God give you a heart that desires HIS truth and not yours or anyone else’s.

Kate

Did you read the Bible alone and decided to look for a trinity? Or were you taught the trinity before you read the Bible?