What was the gospel/good news that Jesus taught the Apostles to share door to door and is the same currently shared??

[konagold3]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #13]

People don't need to be born again to be the receivers of God's mercy and everlasting life. Only the 144,000 that are going to heaven to rule with Jesus. God planned to have physical humans take care of the earth, and His plan hasn't changed. Adam was a physical person, made from dust. He wasn't a spirit being. Neither will those be that will take over Adam's job.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)

Adam is dead.

Those that take over Adam's job of caretakers of the earth need to live much longer than Adam.

So they will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Nothing physical can be guaranteed to last forever.

Those that take over Adam's job will be those that believe in Jesus. They will have everlasting life which is not physical.

There is nothing in the Bible that would lead us to think that physical humans could not live forever. The original purpose of the earth and mankind was to have humans take care of the earth forever. The plan hasn't changed. And physical humans can live forever as long as they obey God.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #13]

People don't need to be born again to be the receivers of God's mercy and everlasting life. Only the 144,000 that are going to heaven to rule with Jesus. God planned to have physical humans take care of the earth, and His plan hasn't changed. Adam was a physical person, made from dust. He wasn't a spirit being. Neither will those be that will take over Adam's job.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)

Adam is dead.

Those that take over Adam's job of caretakers of the earth need to live much longer than Adam.

So they will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

<====================================>

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Nothing physical can be guaranteed to last forever.

Those that take over Adam's job will be those that believe in Jesus. They will have everlasting life which is not physical.

There is nothing in the Bible that would lead us to think that physical humans could not live forever.

Here's one:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The original purpose of the earth and mankind was to have humans take care of the earth forever. The plan hasn't changed.

Adam and Eve were created about 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden on the sixth day of creation. But the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

The sixth day is defined as an evening and a morning. Man was created on the sixth such day. If the earth is 4.5 billions years old, why did God wait 999,994,000 years to create man on the earth, if the earth was actually created for man?

And physical humans can live forever as long as they obey God.

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

Whether one sins or not, all humans are appointed once to die.

It is the "second death" which is optional.

[konagold3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #10]
Aloha myth-one.com

Mahalo for the reply you write "The goal, reward, or inheritance to be received by humans qualifying as heirs under terms of either testament is eternal spiritual bodied life. Those who do not qualify will perish.

The only way one could become an heir to eternal life under the first covenant was to not have any sin imputed against you"

God is love* in His infinite Goodness He not only gave us His Son, Jesus, but he gave a Universe gave the breath of life and the water of life gave us not only Beauty but the very concept of beauty and the gift of love given to each and every one of us

During his ministry Jesus placed the greatest emphasis on love .

when the Pharisees tried to trip Him up by asking
" which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." [Matthew 22]

if all the "law" hangs on those two commandments then any first covenant obligation regarding sinfulness is superseded by the commandment to Love God with all ones soul and to love ones neighbor as oneself

you write "Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

That would be the gospel taught prior to Jesus' crucifixion."

Jesus emphasized to love God with all ones heart it being better to love our Father than to fear Him; after all doncha know that God is always with us; inside each and everyone resides that small voice the echo of eternity that when we follow we find the way our path through the vicissitudes of living

most earthly parents want their children to not fear them but to affectionately love them with mutual empathy and good will and of course the same with Our Father

so did Jesus and His Apostles attract the multitudes by promoting a fear of God Our Father [ I read some where that Jesus called Him Abba and saying that is the same as 'Daddy' if so what a guide to the intimate relationship one can have with our ever present everywhere loving Father

OR??

was the door to door gospel about the good news of Our loving Heavenly Father and the personal relationship that each and every one of us can have with him if we but choose and of course Jesus is the door way the path through which all souls must pass on the way to Our Father

*however love is not God

[JehovahsWitness]

During his ministry Jesus placed the greatest emphasis on love .

Jesus mentioned the kingdom more than any other subject including LOVE.

While service to God is useless without love, Jesus was sent to earth to teach mankind about the kingdom good news.

LUKE 4:43 NIV

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent

I believe only Jehovahs Witnesses accurately understand what the good news of the kingdom is. And I have yet to meet anyone but JWs that can give me a simple satisfying explanation as to what the kingdom will do for humanity living on this our planet earth.




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[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #13]

People don't need to be born again to be the receivers of God's mercy and everlasting life. Only the 144,000 that are going to heaven to rule with Jesus. God planned to have physical humans take care of the earth, and His plan hasn't changed. Adam was a physical person, made from dust. He wasn't a spirit being. Neither will those be that will take over Adam's job.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)

Adam is dead.

Those that take over Adam's job of caretakers of the earth need to live much longer than Adam.

So they will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

<====================================>

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Nothing physical can be guaranteed to last forever.

Those that take over Adam's job will be those that believe in Jesus. They will have everlasting life which is not physical.

There is nothing in the Bible that would lead us to think that physical humans could not live forever.

Here's one:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The original purpose of the earth and mankind was to have humans take care of the earth forever. The plan hasn't changed.

Adam and Eve were created about 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden on the sixth day of creation. But the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

The sixth day is defined as an evening and a morning. Man was created on the sixth such day. If the earth is 4.5 billions years old, why did God wait 999,994,000 years to create man on the earth, if the earth was actually created for man?

And physical humans can live forever as long as they obey God.

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

Whether one sins or not, all humans are appointed once to die.

It is the "second death" which is optional.

Man was "appointed once to die" AFTER Adam sinned. That is when he was told he would die, not before. He was never intended to die. It just happened because he disobeyed.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #13]

People don't need to be born again to be the receivers of God's mercy and everlasting life. Only the 144,000 that are going to heaven to rule with Jesus. God planned to have physical humans take care of the earth, and His plan hasn't changed. Adam was a physical person, made from dust. He wasn't a spirit being. Neither will those be that will take over Adam's job.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (John 3:3)

Adam is dead.

Those that take over Adam's job of caretakers of the earth need to live much longer than Adam.

So they will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

<====================================>

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Nothing physical can be guaranteed to last forever.

Those that take over Adam's job will be those that believe in Jesus. They will have everlasting life which is not physical.

There is nothing in the Bible that would lead us to think that physical humans could not live forever.

Here's one:

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The original purpose of the earth and mankind was to have humans take care of the earth forever. The plan hasn't changed.

Adam and Eve were created about 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden on the sixth day of creation. But the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

The sixth day is defined as an evening and a morning. Man was created on the sixth such day. If the earth is 4.5 billions years old, why did God wait 999,994,000 years to create man on the earth, if the earth was actually created for man?

And physical humans can live forever as long as they obey God.

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

Whether one sins or not, all humans are appointed once to die.

It is the "second death" which is optional.

Man was "appointed once to die" AFTER Adam sinned. That is when he was told he would die, not before. He was never intended to die. It just happened because he disobeyed.

Man was intended to die if he sinned from the creation of mankind.

[konagold3]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #24]

Aloha Jehovahs Witness Mahalo for the reply!

You write : Jesus mentioned the kingdom more than any other subject including LOVE.

While service to God is useless without love, Jesus was sent to earth to teach mankind about the kingdom good news.

I agree; given that love is the desire to do good to others one can't serve God without loving other folks and sharing that which is appropriately good.

With the first two words of the Lord's Prayer Jesus taught that God is our Heavenly Father.

Therefore because we share this our Heavenly Parent in common, we are all God's children, brothers and sisters in the family of humanity.

After all there is but one race, the human race which has one color in common. we being red blooded.

There is much more that bonds us together than the, in reality, minor things that keep us apart.

God is spirit and God gives a fragment of His spirit-self to dwell in the hearts of each of us speaking with a still small voice saying "this is the way" and the spiritual experience of acceptance and enthronement of God in ones heart is a prerequisite for entry into the Kingdom and to be born again.

During Jesus' ministry the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven was His repeated and primary endeavor to establish the Kingdom in the hearts of men: teaching "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." [Luke 17:21 (KJV)]


you write: And I have yet to meet anyone but JWs that can give me a simple satisfying explanation as to what the kingdom will do for humanity living on this our planet earth.

The Fatherhood of God and the resultant family of humanity, when coupled with a supreme desire to do the will of God and love others as we would be loved is the spiritual Kingdom of Heaven on earth right now as shown in the many acts of human kindness found if one but looks and hears

[2ndpillar2]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

No, the kingdom of heaven the disciples taught was with respect to the power and the Spirit, whereas the disciples were to heal and raise the dead. The coming kingdom, the day when the son of man returns (Mt 24:29-31), and reigns for 1000 years (Rev 20:4), is when according to Ezekiel 36 & 37, is when the house of Judah and the house of Ephraim/Israel will reunite on the land given to Jacob/Israel, with David as their king, under a covenant of peace, forever. Your gospel of Paul, the false gospel of grace/lawlessness, with respect to the description of the "kingdom of heaven" in parables, would be the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil", which was called the "tare seed" because it produced tares/weeds, which have no good fruit, whereas the "wheat seed" was the "message" of the "son of man" (Matthew 13:13-49). With respect to John, to Love God and your neighbor you had to keep the Commandments. According to Yeshua, to "enter into life", you have to keep the Commandments (Matthew 19) As for Peter, he was the "worthless shepherd" described in Zechariah 11:17, or as described in Matthew 16:23, "Satan and a stumbling block to me". Judas was described in Zechariah 11:12-13 with regards to 30 pieces of silver, and Paul was described in Zechariah 11:10.

Matthew 13:37-49 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40“So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[JehovahsWitness]

During Jesus' ministry the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven was His repeated and primary endeavor to establish the Kingdom in the hearts of men: teaching "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." [Luke 17:21 (KJV)]

Jesus is only recorded as saying the so-called "within you" on one occassion and you are completely wrong if you believe it refers to the kingdom being a feeling or belief in the hearts of believers. Is the government of the United States a feeling in your heart or a GOVERNMENT located in Washington.

God's kingdom is a GOVERNMENT located in heaven.

All the members of this government do not live inside your body , they live and work from heaven just as the ministry of defense or the other departements of the United States government are not literally inside you.


Do you understand the words that I have just posted?



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[konagold3]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #29]
Aloha JehovahsWitness

Once again Mahalo for the reply!

You write in responding to the quote "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." [Luke 17:21 (KJV)]:
"Jesus is only recorded as saying the so-called "within you" on one occassion ..."


How many times must such be recorded for it to be true??

The quote in fuller context denies that the Kingdom of Heaven can be either observed or physically located rather the Kingdom of God is found within.

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,

The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

the Kingdom of God is experienced within, in our heart, soul and mind, it is a thought experience one may enjoy with God the Father

It is not just, and only the 'Government' of God, as vast as it is; but it is also an individuals personal gateway experience within the Kingdom

It is an experience available to each mortal in communion with our Father.

If one likes God God likes back.

Some folks call that worship sharing love with God.

This is experienced [lived] in the heart and soul of each mortal engaged in such joy

When one communes with the spirit of God within, one has personally entered the Kingdom of Heaven in a personal embrace of the Father-spirit within

After all God is with us always, omnipotent ever present everywhere.

So if Jesus was engaged in establishing this relationship between God and mankind urging folks to find the Kingdom of Heaven within themselves, then of course the good news shared by the Apostles door to door to door to door introduced folks to God as their loving Heavenly Father and that this relationship with Him is best experienced in the quiet of ones room in solitude where one can just have a little talk with He who loves us from the start and to be kind and loving of one another.