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28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
So we are to pay careful attention and care for the church of God, which He obtained with his own blood.

Isn't it clear that God obtained the church with his own blood?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:23 am It's tradition, starting with the rabbis of old. So they themselves started this tradition so how could they now be casting doubt on its authenticity?
Ok, thanks. Now I have to study this more.

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Dear Onewithhim,

Jude 1:Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2
Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Also why is it the you claim that our resurrected Savior does not have a body of flesh and bone?

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What is being overlooked is that GOD created man in HIS own image. What does this mean? Well, it most likely doesn't mean that we all look like GOD. However, it would seem to mean that we possess the same attributes of GOD. And one attribute is that GOD is TRIUNE in HIS very nature. So, GOD would have created man as triune. Man is triune (Spirit, Soul, Body).
The Christian doctrine of immortality cannot be understood apart from the nature of men. Many feel that man is a physical being only. There is a great danger of any man thinking this. In his desire to satisfy the needs of the body there is the tendency on man’s part to lose sight of the fact that he is immortal. There have been persons who have lived all of their lives either in ignorance or willful neglect of a life after death, but upon their death-bed they suddenly see that they were more than physical beings.

There is another concept prevalent today that man consists of two component parts (body and spirit). This view appears to be one that might create confusion among Christians. While soul and spirit are so closely related that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish accurately between them, there seems to be only one logical conclusion: namely, that “the soul” and “the spirit” are not the same. The Bible makes a distinction.

Man again, is a triune being because he's created in the image of GOD. “GOD said, Let us make man in Our image” (Genesis 1:26). We know that GOD is triune in nature. The TRINITY is clearly promoted in Apostle Paul’s benediction that closed his Second Corinthian letter: “The grace of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the love of GOD, and the communion of the HOLY GHOST, be with you all. Amen” (2 Corinthians 13:14). CHRIST HIMSELF revealed likewise, in what we call “The Great Commission”: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST” (Matthew 28:19). Created in the image of GOD, man is likewise triune. He has a spiritual nature that is separate and distinct from the body in which it resides.

The two following passages from the Scripture clearly establish the fact that man is a triune being composed of spirit, soul, and body:

1) I pray GOD your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our LORD JESUS CHRIST (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

2) For the word of GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

Regardless of the teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and of other false sects that “no man possesses a soul,” the Bible emphatically states that man was created a trinity of SPIRIT, SOUL, and BODY even as the eternal GOD is HIMSELF a trinity composed of FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT. The trinity of man is a necessary part of the image relationship between him and God. Life is not ultimately physical and the body is not the entire man. And in addition the body in itself, nor the soul in itself, nor the spirit in itself makes up the whole man, but he is “Spirit, Soul and Body.” This must be seriously regarded and agreed upon before we can comprehend with accuracy the topic of life after death. We shall confine our material to the Spirit and the Soul inasmuch as the Body will be considered in the resurrection.

The Spirit
The word “Spirit” when used in the Scriptures has several meanings. Whenever the word “Spirit” begins with a capital letter, it has but one meaning. It is the name of the THIRD PERSON in the TRINITY, the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD. The word “spirit” spelled with a small letter may have one of several different meanings. It can directly refer to the spirit of man which is as much a part of the tripartite nature of man as the SPIRIT of the living GOD is a PERSON of the TRINITY. Or "spirit" can indicate an evil spirit such as any agent of the Devil/Satan. I will confine myself here to the Biblical usage of the word only as it relates to the spirit of man, one of the three components of his being.

The threefold nature of man might be illustrated in several ways. Dr. Clarence Larkin uses three circles (Rightly Dividing The Word, page 86). The outer circle represents for the body of man, the middle circle for the soul, and the inner for the spirit. At this point it will be well to quote a portion from Dr. Larkin’s book:

In the outer circle the ‘Body’ is shown as touching the Material world through the five senses of ‘Sight,’ ‘Smell,’ ‘Hearing,’ ‘Taste’ and ‘Touch.’

The Gates to the ‘Soul’ are ‘Imagination,’ ‘Conscience,’ ‘Memory,’ ‘Reason’ and the ‘Affections.’

The “Spirit” receives impressions of outward and material things through the soul. The spiritual faculties of the ‘Spirit’ are ‘Faith,’ ‘Hope,’ ‘Reverence,’ ‘Prayer’ and ‘Worship.’


In his unfallen state the ‘Spirit’ of man was illuminated by Heaven, but when the human race fell through Adam, sin closed the window of the Spirit, drew the curtain down, and the chamber of the spirit became a death chamber and remains so in every unregenerate heart, until the Life and Light giving power of the Holy Spirit floods that chamber with the Life and Light giving power of the new life in CHRIST JESUS.

It elaborates that the spirit of man, being the sphere of God-consciousness, is the inner or private office of man where the work of regeneration takes place. Dr. James R. Graham says that the main theatre of the HOLY SPIRIT's activity in man, and the part of man’s nature with which He has peculiar attraction, is the spirit of man. The Apostle Paul gives us the Word of God on this, a passage that is sadly neglected. Quoting from the chapter 64 of the Prophet Isaiah, Paul wrote:

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love HIM. Many people stop here, content to remain in ignorance. However, Paul continues:

But God hath revealed them unto us by HIS SPIRIT; for the SPIRIT searcheth all things, yes, the deep things of GOD.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the SPIRIT of GOD (1 Corinthians 2:9-11).

Man in his unregenerate state comes to know the things of man by the operator of “the spirit of man” which is within him. If I have a will to know certain scientific facts, by my human spirit I am enabled to investigate, think, and weigh evidence. If I set myself to the task, I may become a scientist of world-renown and of great accomplishments. However, my human spirit is “limited to the things of man.” If I wish to know about the things of GOD, my dead and dormant spirit is not able to know them.

The natural man receiveth not the things of the SPIRIT of GOD; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).

The human spirit requires “the spark of regeneration” before there is an understanding of the things of GOD. Man’s spiritual nature must be renewed before there is a true conception of Godliness. Only one thing stands as a guard at the door of man’s spirit, and that is his own will. When the will is surrendered, the HOLY SPIRIT takes up HIS abode in the spirit of man. And when that transaction takes place we will know it, for, says Paul:

The SPIRIT HIMSELF (meaning the HOLY SPIRIT) beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of GOD (Romans 8:16 R.V.).

Many people say that they get nothing out of the Bible even though they attend church and read their Bibles regularly. Perhaps they do not know that they are not regenerated and that they need to yield their will to the SPIRIT of GOD so that HE can renew their human spirits. The deep things of GOD never will be understood by the world apart from JESUS CHRIST. Our LORD warned HIS disciples,

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6).

The spirit of the unregenerate man has no more capacity to appreciate the things of GOD than a dog has to appreciate holy things, or a hog a genuine pearl necklace. We read that “The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire” (2 Peter 2:22). This they did because the dog was a dog and the sow was a sow. No amount of religion or church activity can change the spirit of the unregenerate man. “Remember,” says Dr. G. Campbell Morgan, “if out of false charity or pity you allow men of material ideals and worldly wisdom to touch holy things, to handle the pearls of the Kingdom, presently they will turn and rend you. This is the whole history of Christendom’s ruin, in the measure in which Christendom is ruined. We gave holy things to dogs. We cast the pearls of the Kingdom before swine.” The ministry of CHRIST’s Church dare not be entrusted to any man who has not been born again, for “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the SPIRIT is spirit” (John 3:6).

The Bible says; “There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the ALMIGHTY giveth them understanding” (Job 32:8). Here we are told that it is the spirit of man that is given understanding. The materialist tells us that the spirit of man is the air that he breathes, and that man’s body is all there is to his personality. Such isn't the case. The spirit of man is his personality and it is that which differentiates him from the lower animal creation. If “spirit” meant merely “breath,” GOD would not deal with it as a personality. HE is called “The GOD of the spirits of all flesh” (Numbers 16:22), and “the FATHER of spirits” (Hebrews 12:9). It is through his spirit that the Christian both serves and worships GOD. Paul testified: “For God is my witness, Whom I serve with my spirit in the Gospel” (Romans 1:9). JESUS stated: “GOD is a spirit; and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24).

The Soul
Man not only has a living soul but he is a living soul. The Bible reveals: “And the LORD GOD formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). We must be careful not to confound that which is truly spiritual and that which is merely soulish or psychical. We have seen that the spirit of man is the sphere of activity where the HOLY SPIRIT operates in regeneration. Just so is the soul the sphere of activity where Satan operates making his appeal to the affections and emotions of man.

Satan comprehends that he dominates the psychical or the soulish man. Therefore he does not care if a man goes to a church where the SPIRIT of GOD is not in evidence. He knows that his victim is a creature of emotions, and it matters not if the emotions are stirred to sentimentalism or even to tears, just so long as man’s spirit does not come in contact with God’s Holy Spirit. Likely, Satan would rather have man go to a modernistic church where there is false worship/teaching than he would have him go to a house of prostitution. The soul is the seat of the passions, the feelings, and the desires of man; and Satan is satisfied if he can master these. F. W. Grant has said that the soul is the seat of the affections, right or wrong, of love, hate, lusts, and even the appetites of the body.

Hamor said to Jacob, “The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter” (Genesis 34:8). Of David and Jonathan it is written: “The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul” (1 Samuel 18:1). These passages show the soul to be the seat of the affections. But as the soul loves, so it also hates. We read of those “that are hated of David’s soul” (2 Samuel 5:8).

It is in the soul where fleshly lusts, desires, and appetites arise:

Abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul (Peter 2:11).

As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country (Proverbs 25:25).

It shall be even as when a hungry man dreameth, and behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty; or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite (Isaiah 29:8).

The soul of man, that is, his affections and desires, are never directed Godward until after the spirit has become regenerated. Man can never love God nor the things of GOD until he is born-again from above. He may have a troubled conscience or be so stirred emotionally that he may weep bitterly, and still remain dead in trespasses and in sins. We do not feel guilty of judging men when we state that some who have answered an altar call and shed tears never were born again. Man’s desires and affections are turned toward GOD when he realizes his sinful condition and GOD’s grace in salvation. When the SPIRIT of GOD illuminates the spirit of a man with divine light and life, that man begins to yield his affections and faculties to GOD.

The Virgin Mary said; “My soul doth magnify the LORD, And my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD my Savior” (Luke 1:46, 47). She could not extol the LORD in her soul until she had recognized GOD in her spirit as her SAVIOR. The initial triumph is in the spirit when JESUS CHRIST is acknowledged as personal SAVIOR.

In that immortal classic of the Psalms, David says: “He restoreth my soul” (Psalm 23:3). The Hebrew word translated “restoreth” is said to mean quite literally “turneth back.” At no time had David lost his salvation, but there were times when his affections and desires were turned from the LORD, as in the case of his sin with Bathsheba. Having become one of the Divine Shepherd’s flock, he testified: “The LORD turneth back my soul.” The Christian who is enjoying unbroken communion with his LORD will then be able to say, “Bless the LORD, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless HIS holy name” (Psalm 103:1).

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Revelations won wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:03 am Dear Onewithhim,

Jude 1:Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2
Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Also why is it the you claim that our resurrected Savior does not have a body of flesh and bone?
"The only wise God, our Savior," is referring to Jehovah, the Father. (John 17:3; Psalm 83:18,KJV)

How could Jesus have a physical body and be in the spirit realm in heaven? No...he was raised in the spirit and went back to heaven that way.

"Even Christ died once for all time...he being put to death in the flesh but being made alive in the spirit. In this state also he went his way and heralded to the spirits in prison..." (I Peter 3:18,19)

How could he go into the spirit realm with a physical body? No, the scripture says that he went in the state of a spirit to face the demons, after his r esurrection. You can't prove that he went there while he was dead.

He dwells in such glorious circumstances that we could not see him. There is no indication that he has a body of flesh and bone. "The one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) A physical body could not survive in the spirit realm.

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:00 pm
Revelations won wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:03 am Dear Onewithhim,

Jude 1:Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2
Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Also why is it the you claim that our resurrected Savior does not have a body of flesh and bone?
"The only wise God, our Savior," is referring to Jehovah, the Father. (John 17:3; Psalm 83:18,KJV)

How could Jesus have a physical body and be in the spirit realm in heaven? No...he was raised in the spirit and went back to heaven that way.

"Even Christ died once for all time...he being put to death in the flesh but being made alive in the spirit. In this state also he went his way and heralded to the spirits in prison..." (I Peter 3:18,19)

How could he go into the spirit realm with a physical body? No, the scripture says that he went in the state of a spirit to face the demons, after his r esurrection. You can't prove that he went there while he was dead.

He dwells in such glorious circumstances that we could not see him. There is no indication that he has a body of flesh and bone. "The one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) A physical body could not survive in the spirit realm.
CHRIST as the SON of GOD can do anything that the FATHER bids HIM do. CHRIST created the entire Universe and yet emptied HIMSELF and entered into this world as a baby. Why do some people think that GOD is held to our guidelines. The spirit world exists because CHRIST created it. The material world exists because CHRIST created it. To suggest that CHRIST and the FATHER cannot do this and that is shallow human reasoning about things we have no control...

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:09 pm [Replying to LittleNipper in post #53]

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I would suggest that the Baptist pastor Clarence Larkin is one of the very best authors regarding biblical doctrine anyone could read outside the Bible itself.

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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LittleNipper wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:53 pm
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I would suggest that the Baptist pastor Clarence Larkin is one of the very best authors regarding biblical doctrine anyone could read outside the Bible itself.
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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Tcg wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am
LittleNipper wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:53 pm
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:09 pm [Replying to LittleNipper in post #53]

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I'll remind you one again of the following rule:

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I would suggest that the Baptist pastor Clarence Larkin is one of the very best authors regarding biblical doctrine anyone could read outside the Bible itself.
I would disagree. Clarence Larkin is thoroughly inundated with the lies of the great apostate church. The best author to read, who is not a JW, is Jason BeDuhn and his book: Truth in Translation. It will open your eyes to the nonsense of Mr. Larkin and others who cling to spurious doctrines.

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Re: Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

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Tcg wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am
LittleNipper wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:53 pm
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:09 pm [Replying to LittleNipper in post #53]

Moderator Intervention

I'll remind you one again of the following rule:

8. Extensive quotes from another source (particularly other websites) should state the source to avoid plagiarism.

You need to cite the source of the text you quoted. It is clearly not from your hand.

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I would suggest that the Baptist pastor Clarence Larkin is one of the very best authors regarding biblical doctrine anyone could read outside the Bible itself.
Moderator Intervention

If you are suggesting that he is the source of the text you provided without citation, then you need to state that clearly and give him credit for the words you quoted from him. This should be a standard practice whenever you quote from another to avoid violating rule number 8. For some reason you seem hesitant to abide by this rule. That needs to change.

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I've read many books, as I would even imagine that Clarence Larkin himself read. What I wrote unless otherwise mentioned in the text (those who were not even alive when Larkin was writing) is of my own wording. The Bible references are clearly referenced. I mention Larkin as one general inspiration.

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