Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

[Wootah]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=ESV

28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

So we are to pay careful attention and care for the church of God, which He obtained with his own blood.

Isn't it clear that God obtained the church with his own blood?

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That "spirit" is nothing more than God's Holy Spirit that keeps a person alive....

So, you think the idea that man has own spirit is not true?

For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit.
1 Cor. 2:11

[DB]

[Replying to DB in post #28]

Yeah that is just an intro. Welcome to the forum.

Now what is your exegesis of acts 20:28? On the topic ....

Why do you persist? God does not bleed nor sacrifice Himself, to Himself, obviously?
It was already explained that the Greek allows for an alternate and viable interpretation: '...the blood of His own...'
Nothing else works - there is no such thing as a god-man, and God does not pay for the sins of man - He is the plaintiff, obviously.

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

You said:

" He went in this spirit body to speak to the spirits in prison, meaning the demons who disobeyed in Noah's day and have been relegated to "Tartarus," or, a debased spiritual condition. This happened AFTER the three days that Jesus was dead. There is no indication that he went somewhere during the time that he was dead."

Can you clarify what "spirit body" you mean when Christ went and preached to those who were disobedient in the days of Noah?

Also can you show from the Bible that his visit was after his resurrection?

Also can you give me the verses that state that he preached to demons who were in prison?

Also the scripture states that those to whom he preached would apparently repent and live according to God in the spirit. and be judged according to men in the flesh.

What and who are the demons you refer to???

Christ's spirit body was a body that is spirit. Two types of bodies: I Corinthians 15:40. Christ was raised in a celestial body.

Can YOU show that Jesus' visit to the disobedient ones was BEFORE his resurrection? No.

I Peter 3:18 and 19 states: "Even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. In this state [in a spirit body] also he went his way and heralded to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah's days while the ark was being constructed..." Go back to Genesis 6:2 to see who these spirits were. Then see 2 Peter 2:4: "Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the ANGELS that sinned, but by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness [spiritual darkness] to be reserved for judgment; and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe..." Then we can go to Jude 6: "And the ANGELS that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day." These are the spirits Jesus visited after his resurrection.

What is the scripture that states that "those to whom he preached would apparently repent and live according to God in the spirit..." ?

[onewithhim]

"Hades" is the Greek word for "hell," and it means "the grave." People who are there are in their graves and they have no consciousness.

Interesting, so, when Revelation tells about Hades and death, what do you think the death means?

...Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them.....
Rev. 20:12-15

Matthew 27:51-52 refers to an earthquake that happened when Jesus died where bodies of people were thrown up out of their tombs, and people who were going by saw them on their way into the city. It happens today in places where there has been an earthquake or a flood. The dead people weren't resurrected at that time. Jesus said he would resurrect people in the last day (John 6:44).

It continues by saying they went to the city and appeared to many. I don't know how that can be understood that the dead corpses just floated to the city.

Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and having come forth out of the tombs after his rising, they went into the holy city, and appeared to many.
Matt. 27:51-53

I think that explains why certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere.

How can you throw death anywhere? It's symbolic of getting rid of the grave and death forever.

The people who passed by went into the city. Not the corpses that were thrown up at the time of the earthquake. It had to be the people who passed by because no people were resurrected until the last day (John 6:40).

What information are you referring to when you say that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

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The people who passed by went into the city. Not the corpses that were thrown up at the time of the earthquake. ...

Interesting, I can't understand it in any other way than that they dead were risen from death.

What information are you referring to when you say that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

For example David, Solomon... ...or do you know where their tombs are?

[onewithhim]

The people who passed by went into the city. Not the corpses that were thrown up at the time of the earthquake. ...

Interesting, I can't understand it in any other way than that they dead were risen from death.

What information are you referring to when you say that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

For example David, Solomon... ...or do you know where their tombs are?

Yes, I visited their tombs when I went to Israel last September. So where did you get the information that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

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Yes, I visited their tombs when I went to Israel last September. So where did you get the information that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

Interesting, wikipedia says:

David's Tomb (Hebrew: קבר דוד המלך Kever David Ha-Melekh; Arabic: مقام النبي داود Maqam Al-Nabi Daoud) is a site that, according to an early-medieval (9th-century) tradition, is associated with the burial of the biblical King David.[1][2] Historians, archaeologists and Jewish religious authorities do not consider the site to be the actual resting place of King David.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb

[onewithhim]

Yes, I visited their tombs when I went to Israel last September. So where did you get the information that "certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere"?

Interesting, wikipedia says:

David's Tomb (Hebrew: קבר דוד המלך Kever David Ha-Melekh; Arabic: مقام النبي داود Maqam Al-Nabi Daoud) is a site that, according to an early-medieval (9th-century) tradition, is associated with the burial of the biblical King David.[1][2] Historians, archaeologists and Jewish religious authorities do not consider the site to be the actual resting place of King David.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb

Well some people definitely believe they are visiting David's tomb. People go there with heads covered and the men and women separated, and they are praying and carrying on. Why would "Jewish religious authorities" disagree with what their people are actually doing? They must have pointed, themselves, to that place some time in the past for people to go there. And how can historians and archaeologists possibly know whether or not David is buried there?

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...Why would "Jewish religious authorities" disagree with what their people are actually doing? They must have pointed, themselves, to that place some time in the past for people to go there. And how can historians and archaeologists possibly know whether or not David is buried there?

Good questions. How do you know whose tomb it is?

[onewithhim]

...Why would "Jewish religious authorities" disagree with what their people are actually doing? They must have pointed, themselves, to that place some time in the past for people to go there. And how can historians and archaeologists possibly know whether or not David is buried there?

Good questions. How do you know whose tomb it is?

It's tradition, starting with the rabbis of old. So they themselves started this tradition so how could they now be casting doubt on its authenticity?