John 1:1-2Cor 4:4

[kjw47]

Any can look up the way they are written in Greek-- At both spots the Greek word for the true God ends in a v=God, capitol G. -- Both the word and satan' Greek word ends in a g= god small g= 100% fact-- Trinity religions are false religion. Translating works the same at both spots. Billions have been mislead by an error of a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1-- Only found in altered translations( removal of Gods name in over 7000 places by satans will) so guess whose will had a error capitol G put in the last line at John 1:1? Even though the Greek lexicons show its error. The trinity scholars have to know its error. If they said something hundreds if not thousands of religions claiming to be christian are exposed as false religion, Billions of $$$ lost each year, and probably sued by 2 billion humans as well, because they know they teach lies. Owned and operated by satan, like this-2 Cor 11:12-15)--misleading all into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.--RUN FROM THEM.

[Miles]

Strictly speaking YHWH is one of many gods, He is however unequalled amonst his rivals not least because He is the Creator and preceded all that exists, imaginary or real.

Curious as to where this is mentioned in the Bible.

Thanks

This was not a quotqtion: for direct quotation look out for these little marks "< --- they are called quotation marks ---> ". I will always use them with a source / reference if I am directly quoting scripture.

I never implied it was a quotation, which is why I used the word "mentioned."

men·tion
/ˈmen(t)SH(ə)n/
verb
past tense: mentioned; past participle: mentioned

• refer to something briefly and without going into detail.

• make a reference to (someone) as being noteworthy,

and not "said."

That said, although the words were my own, the thoughts I expressed are supported in scripture.


- YHWH is one of many gods

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5, 6

For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Interesting that in checking other Bibles none come right out and say there are other gods, but preface their comment with "if," "may say," "may be so-called," "are so-called," "what are called," or "that are called, " AND often putting quotation marks around the following "god' and "lord,"

"Quotation marks around single words can occasionally be used for emphasis, but only when quoting a word or term someone else used. Usually, this implies that the author doesn't agree with the use of the term. He said he was “working”; it looked to me like he was procrastinating."
source

just as your bible does.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (New World Translation (2013 Revision))
5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth,+ just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God,+

(Number) of Bibles using each of the following phrases, unwilling to assert the actual existence of other gods.

"even if there are . . . " (20)

"People may say that there are gods " (2)

"though there be what are so-called “gods,” (21)

"although there may be so-called gods" (12)

"For though there be what are called “gods,” (2)

"For though there are those that are called gods" (10)


Want to give it another shot?



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[JehovahsWitness]

Want to give it another shot?



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Why ? Are you implying that a "so called god" is not a god?

WHAT IS A GOD?

In monotheistic thought, God is usually viewed as the supreme being, creator, and principal object of faith.[1] In polytheistic thought, a god is "a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshipped for doing so, or something that represents this spirit or being" - source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

LIST OF GODS (DIETIES) NAMED IN HEBREW BIBLE : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... brew_Bible

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. ... Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ʼEl, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” (Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. - Source "Insight on the scriptures Vol I p. 968

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[Miles]

Strictly speaking YHWH is one of many gods, He is however unequalled amonst his rivals not least because He is the Creator and preceded all that exists, imaginary or real.

Curious as to where this is mentioned in the Bible.

Thanks

This was not a quotqtion: for direct quotation look out for these little marks "< --- they are called quotation marks ---> ". I will always use them with a source / reference if I am directly quoting scripture.

I never implied it was a quotation, which is why I used the word "mentioned."

men·tion
/ˈmen(t)SH(ə)n/
verb
past tense: mentioned; past participle: mentioned

• refer to something briefly and without going into detail.

• make a reference to (someone) as being noteworthy,

and not "said."

That said, although the words were my own, the thoughts I expressed are supported in scripture.


- YHWH is one of many gods

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5, 6

For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Interesting that in checking other Bibles none come right out and say there are other gods, but preface their comment with "if," "may say," "may be so-called," "are so-called," "what are called," or "that are called, " AND often putting quotation marks around the following "god' and "lord,"

"Quotation marks around single words can occasionally be used for emphasis, but only when quoting a word or term someone else used. Usually, this implies that the author doesn't agree with the use of the term. He said he was “working”; it looked to me like he was procrastinating."
source

just as your bible does.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6] (New World Translation (2013 Revision))
5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God,+

(Number) of Bibles using each of the following phrases, unwilling to assert the actual existence of other gods.

"even if there are . . . " (20)

"People may say that there are gods " (2)

"though there be what are so-called “gods,” (21)

"although there may be so-called gods" (12)

"For though there be what are called “gods,” (2)

"For though there are those that are called gods" (10)


Want to give it another shot?

Why ? Are you implying that a "so called god" is not a god?

I"m saying that in none of the sixty-some Bibles I checked, including your own, does 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 support your claim that there are many gods. Every one of them pulls its punches, unwilling to assert the actual existence of other gods


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[JehovahsWitness]

I"m saying that in none of the sixty-some Bibles I checked, including your own, does 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 support your claim that there are many gods. ...

Emphasis MINE

Its not my claim, it's right there in the bible. I just happen to agree.

New International Version
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

New Living Translation
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.

English Standard Version
For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Berean Literal Bible
Truly even if indeed there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

King James Bible
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

New King James Version
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

New American Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

NASB 1995
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

NASB 1977
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Legacy Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Amplified Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords"—

American Standard Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For even though there are what are called gods, whether in the Heavens or in The Earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For although there be that are called gods, either in heaven or on earth (for there be gods many, and lords many);

English Revised Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
People may say that there are gods in heaven and on earth-many gods and many lords, as they would call them.

Literal Standard Version
for even if there are those called gods, whether in Heaven, whether on earth—as there are many gods and many lords—

New American Bible
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many “gods” and many “lords”),

NET Bible
If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

New Revised Standard Version
Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords—

New Heart English Bible
For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;"

Webster's Bible Translation
For though there are that are called gods, whether in heaven or upon earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many)


World English Bible
For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Young's Literal Translation
for even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven, whether upon earth -- as there are gods many and lords many

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[Miles]

I"m saying that in none of the sixty-some Bibles I checked, including your own, does 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 support your claim that there are many gods. ...

Emphasis MINE

Its not my claim, it's right there in the bible. I just happen to agree.

New International Version
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

New Living Translation
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.

English Standard Version
For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Berean Literal Bible
Truly even if indeed there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

King James Bible
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

New King James Version
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

New American Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

NASB 1995
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

NASB 1977
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Legacy Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Amplified Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords"—

American Standard Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For even though there are what are called gods, whether in the Heavens or in The Earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For although there be that are called gods, either in heaven or on earth (for there be gods many, and lords many);

English Revised Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
People may say that there are gods in heaven and on earth-many gods and many lords, as they would call them.

Literal Standard Version
for even if there are those called gods, whether in Heaven, whether on earth—as there are many gods and many lords—

New American Bible
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many “gods” and many “lords”),

NET Bible
If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

New Revised Standard Version
Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords—

New Heart English Bible
For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;"

Webster's Bible Translation
For though there are that are called gods, whether in heaven or upon earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many)

World English Bible
For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Young's Literal Translation
for even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven, whether upon earth -- as there are gods many and lords many

And as I said, "Every one of them pulls its punches"

1 Corinthians 8:5-6

New International Version
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

New Living Translation
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.

English Standard Version
5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”

Berean Literal Bible
Truly even if indeed there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

King James Version
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

New American Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Legacy Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Amplified Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords"—

American Standard Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For even though there are what are called gods, whether in the Heavens or in The Earth, as there are many gods and many lords,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For although there be that are called gods, either in heaven or on earth (for there be gods many, and lords many);

English Revised Version
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
People may say that there are gods in heaven and on earth-many gods and many lords, as they would call them.

Literal Standard Version
for even if there are those called gods, whether in Heaven, whether on earth—as there are many gods and many lords—

New American Bible
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many “gods” and many “lords”),

NET Bible
If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

New Revised Standard Version
Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords—

New Heart English Bible
For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;"

Webster's Bible Translation
For though there are that are called gods, whether in heaven or upon earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many)

World English Bible
For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth—as there are many “gods” and many “lords”—

Young's Literal Translation
for even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven, whether upon earth -- as there are gods many and lords many

Even your very own New World Translation (2013 Revision) pulls its punches

For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”

Thing is, qualifying gods with "if," "so-called," "may be," "called," and "may say," denotes a lack of conviction that "gods," plural, really exist. This plus those Bibles, like your own, that don't agree with the use of the terms "gods" and "lords" also rob "gods" of any certainty. Meaning, a person cannot honestly say, "gods exist" based on 1 Corinthians 8:5-6.

As for those Bibles that contradict themselves without putting "gods" and "lords" in quotation marks, such as the New Revised Standard Version that says

"Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords—"

This is something the Christian will have to deal with, either by asserting one of the qualifying terms I pointed out are meaningless--and wouldn't that wake up their god ---or simply ignoring it altogether, without doubt the preferred approach. What I don't think the honest Christian can do is assert "gods exist" without pointing the lack of certainty that goes along with the claim.


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[JehovahsWitness]

This is something the Christian will have to deal with, either by asserting one of the qualifying terms I pointed out are meaningless ...or simply ignoring it altogether

And how, in your opinion, does Paul pointing out that there are "so-called gods" render the fact that he also pointed out that "there are many gods" force the reader into such a dichotomy ? Please support your claim above.



Again I ask you : Are you suggesting that a "so-called god" is not "a god" ; if so by which definition of "god" do you so conclude (reference please). If a "so-called" god is indeed "a god" what exactly leads you to such the dichotomy of your quoted words above?

[Miles]

This is something the Christian will have to deal with, either by asserting one of the qualifying terms I pointed out are meaningless ...or simply ignoring it altogether

And how, in your opinion, does Paul pointing out that there are "so-called gods" render the fact that he also pointed out that "there are many gods" force the reader into such a dichotomy ? Please support your claim above.

Because:

so-called
/ˈsō ˌkôld/
adjective
adjective: so-called; adjective: socalled

used to express one's view that a name or term is inappropriate.
source: Oxford Language Dictionary

Again I ask you : Are you suggesting that a "so-called god" is not "a god" ; if so by which definition of "god" do you so conclude (reference please).

No. I'm not saying that a "so-called god" is not "a god" ; but that "so-called gods are not gods.

If a "so-called" god is indeed "a god" what exactly leads you to such the dichotomy of your quoted words above?

Because "so-called gods" are not gods by the very fact that the term "gods" is an inappropriate term. (See definition of "so-called" above.) And, being inappropriate, "gods," and all that's understood by the term, are unfit for consideration as something that has actual existence; a fact.


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[JehovahsWitness]

I'm not saying that a "so-called god" is not "a god" ; but that "so-called gods are not gods... being inappropriate, "gods," ...

So you are saying "inappropriate gods" are not gods? That's like saying inappropriate clothing isn't clothing.

[historia]

Strictly speaking YHWH is one of many gods

Curious as to where this is mentioned in the Bible.

You can see this idea particularly in the Psalms:

"God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment." (Psalm 82:1)

"There is none like you among the gods, Yahweh, nor are there any works like yours." (Psalm 86:8)

"For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods." (Psalm 95:3)

"For great is Yahweh, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." (Psalm 96:4)

Compare also to the first commandment:

"You shall have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3)

[Miles]

Strictly speaking YHWH is one of many gods

Curious as to where this is mentioned in the Bible.

You can see this idea particularly in the Psalms:

"God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment." (Psalm 82:1)

"There is none like you among the gods, Yahweh, nor are there any works like yours." (Psalm 86:8)

"For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods." (Psalm 95:3)

"For great is Yahweh, and greatly to be praised; he is to be feared above all gods." (Psalm 96:4)

Compare also to the first commandment:

"You shall have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3)

Unlike 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, these are proper examples of verses that attest to the existence of other gods.

Thank you.


My question now is, in as much as no one has heard from these other gods, what the heck became of them? Did Yahweh have them bumped off? Are they in a remedial class for slow-witted gods? Or have they simply been denied visiting privileges with Earthlings?


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