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A Look At The Jehovah's Witnesses Religion

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I came across the following piece in Wikipedia some time ago, and recently remembered how priceless it was and thought I'd share.

"Central to Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are their interpretations of the second coming of Christ, the millennium and the kingdom of God. Watch Tower Society publications have made, and continue to make, predictions about world events they believe were prophesied in the Bible.[1] Some of those early predictions were described as "established truth",[2] and beyond any doubt.[3] Witnesses are told to "be complete in accepting the visible organization's direction in every aspect" and that there is no need to question what God tells them through his Word and organization since love "believes all things".[4][5][6] If a member advocates views different from what appears in print, they face expulsion.[7][8][9]

Failed predictions that were either explicitly stated or strongly implied, particularly linked to dates in 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925 and 1975, have led to the alteration or abandonment of some teachings. The Society's publications have at times suggested that members had previously "read into the Watch Tower statements that were never intended"[10] or that the beliefs of members were "based on wrong premises".[11] According to Professor Edmond Gruss, other failed predictions were ignored, and replaced with new predictions; for example, in the book, The Finished Mystery (1917), events were applied to the years 1918 to 1925 that earlier had been held to occur prior to 1914. When the new interpretations also did not transpire, the 1926 edition of the book changed the statements and removed the dates.[12]


Predictions (by date of publication) include:

1877: Christ's kingdom would hold full sway over the earth in 1914; the Jews, as a people, would be restored to God's favor; the "saints" would be carried to heaven.[28]
1891: 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men".[29]
1904: "World-wide anarchy" would follow the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.[30]
1916: World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".[31]
1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions". Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy". The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.[32]
1920: Messiah's kingdom would be established in 1925 and bring worldwide peace. God would begin restoring the earth. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful patriarchs would be resurrected to perfect human life and be made princes and rulers, the visible representatives of the New Order on earth. Those who showed themselves obedient to God would never die.[33]
1922: The anti-typical "jubilee" that would mark God's intervention in earthly affairs would take place "probably the fall" of 1925.[34]
1925: God's restoration of Earth would begin "shortly after" October 1, 1925. Jerusalem would be made the world's capital. Resurrected "princes" such as Abel, Noah, Moses and John the Baptist would give instructions to their subjects around the world by radio, and airplanes would transport people to and from Jerusalem from all parts of the globe in just "a few hours".[35]
1938: Armageddon was too close for marriage or child bearing.[36]
1941: There were only "months" remaining until Armageddon.[37]
1942: Armageddon was "immediately before us".[38]
1961: Awake! magazine stated that Armageddon "will come in the twentieth century.... This generation will see its fulfillment."[39]
1966: It would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time.[40] Time was "running out, no question about that".[41] The "immediate future" was "certain to be filled with climactic events ... within a few years at most", the final parts of Bible prophecy relating to the "last days" would undergo fulfillment as Christ's reign began.
1967: The end-time period (beginning in 1914) was claimed to be so far advanced that the time remaining could "be compared, not just to the last day of a week, but rather, to the last part of that day".[42]
1968: No one could say "with certainty" that the battle of Armageddon would begin in 1975, but time was "running out rapidly" with "earthshaking events" soon to take place.[43] In March 1968 there was a "short period of time left", with "only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed".[44]
1969: The existing world order would not last long enough for young people to grow old; the world system would end "in a few years". Young Witnesses were told not to bother pursuing tertiary education for this reason.[45][46]
1971: The "battle in the day of Jehovah" was described as beginning "[s]hortly, within our twentieth century".[47]
1974: There was just a "short time remaining before the wicked world's end" and Witnesses were commended for selling their homes and property to "finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service".[48]
1984: There were "many indications" that "the end" was closer than the end of the 20th century.[49]
1989: The Watchtower asserted that Christian missionary work begun in the first century would "be completed in our 20th century".[50] When the magazine was republished in bound volumes, the phrase "in our 20th century" was replaced with the less specific "in our day".


It should be noted that on average a new prediction was coming out about every 5 1/2 years, but since 1989, 34 years ago, nada. Can we assume the JW prediction business has since shut down?


QUESTIONS:
1. Should continuing blunders such as these have any bearing on the credibility of a religion? Any religion?
2. What do you think it says about the Jehovah's Witnesses religion?

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Miles wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 pm QUESTIONS:

1. Should continuing blunders such as these have any bearing on the credibility of a religion?

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Blunders are part of life, every religion in existence has made them. If a religion corrects them and moves on, it should not not necessarily be a "game changer".

Miles wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 pm QUESTIONS:

2. What do you think it says about the Jehovah's Witnesses religion?


It says at least they are trying to "keep on the watch" as Jesus commanded. Most people would rather an alarm went off too early then too late!
For those searching for true Christianity it is worth noting that Jesus did not say his disciples would be identifiable by their "blunder free history" (even his own chosen Apostles made those) .... but by the love they showed for each other.

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DID JEHOVAHS WITNESSES REALLY PREDICT THE END OF THE WORLD DOZENS OF TIMES?

No. They have never given a precise date for this event. they have however wrongly interpreted some "end time prophecies" notably in three occassions.
1914 - while Jehovah's Witnesses correctly pinpointed this year as marking end of the "Gentiles Times" (the time allocated by God for humans rulership) many (not all) wrongly believed this would also mark the end of their work on earth.

1925 - J F Rutherford wrongly interpreted certain prophecies regarding the earthly resurrecton to be for this year.

1975 Although there was absolutely no definitive statement for Christ's return for this year (and certainly no date ie., day/month) there was much speculation as to if the 6000th year since Adam's creation would mark the endmof the world system.

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They have since learnt from their mistakes and exercised better restraint when it comes to speculation on the fulfillement of bible prophecy.


What is the Jehovahs Witnesss present positon as to the nearness of the end of the world system of things?
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HOW SHOULD ONE GO ABOUT AN HONEST EXAMINATION OF THE RELIGION OF JEHOVAHS ?

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Most people have access to the internet and can easily do a search online. However, a honest examination should not be limited to ex-Witnesses and avowed opponents. A balanced examination should also include ...

1. An examination of their official website starting at the "about us " section.

2. An indepth examination of their literature to understand theological position (unlike most religions JWs have put nearly everything they have ever published online free of charge )

3. A visit to their Headquarters in your country of residence.

4. A visit to a local kingdom hall to an observation of how they worship.

5. Getting to know Jehovahs Witnesses personally to observe if they actually live what they preach.




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SOME OPINIONS ON JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
“Suffice it to say that if all the world lived by the creed of the Jehovah’s Witnesses there would be an end of bloodshed and hatred, and love would reign as king.” - The Sacramento, California, July 9, 1965
  • “They are a splendid people who are growing in numbers and influence. And wherever they go they are welcome. By their behavior they create such goodly opinion that they are urged to return.” - Editorial , The Morning Call (Allentown, Pa.), July 28, 1953
  • "You might regard them [the Witnesses] as model citizens. They pay taxes diligently, tend the sick, battle illiteracy.” - The San Francisco Examiner, October 17, 1972
  • “This is a religious group which has, over the years, unswervingly held to its beliefs by precept and example and rigidly practices what it preaches in a world where such things are rare. . . " - Editorial, The New York Amsterdam News, August 10, 1974
  • “It ought to be said that Jehovah’s Witnesses are the first to live the faith they preach: They don’t get angry, they don’t smoke, they don’t accumulate riches, they keep out of political discussions, . . . they pay the taxes, they follow a virtuous and honest life-style, they are happy and obliging. All of this has made them well liked.” - Magazine Mondo erre of March 1986 ID 1246 p.23
  • “Jehovah’s Witnesses are distinguished by their steadfast belief in living according to the Bible. . . . [they] can be regarded as an example to their fellow citizens for their devotion to Biblical truth and their willingness to stand up for their beliefs so selflessly.” - Sergei Ivanenko, religious scholar and candidate of philosophy , Moscow News, February 20-26, 1997
  • The Jehovah's Witnesses believe in a strong moral code. They believe smoking, overdrinking, drug misuse, gambling and sexual promiscuity are spiritually damaging practices. They teach honesty and good work habits. Members can be expelled for serious un-Christian conduct. - Lynn Arave "Deseret News", June 24, 2000
  • “[Jehovah’sWitnesses] inculcate a very rigorous ethic of personal integrity [and] its effects are perhaps more impressive than the formal codes and inconsequential rhetoric of churches . . . In insisting on punctuality, honesty, sobriety, good appearance and scrupulous dealings, for instance, they inculcate dispositions which have consequences both for work and civic involvement. In refusing to take bribes, an African Jehovah’s Witness manifests a standard of behavior quite uncommon in African countries.” - “Jehovah’s Witnesses in Kenya” -Bryan R. Wilson, Oxford sociologist:
  • "[Jehovah’s] Witnesses have earned the reputation of being honest, courteous, and industrious” - Religion in America, Julia Mitchell Corbett

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WHAT IS THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PRESENT POSITION AS TO THE TIMING OF THE END OF THIS WORLD SYSTEM?


Although Jehovah's Witnesses have learnt to exercise proper restraint regarding speculation about what year the end will finally come, they do not feel this means refaining from any reference to Jesus warnings in the matter. Jesus did point to prophecies that would help Christians identify the "season" ( the period of time ) that signaled the end of the world system was fast approaching , Jehovahs Witnesses feel it their duty not to downplay the importance of the times we are living in.

COULD THE END BE IN 200 YEARS?

No. Jesus limited length of this period to a single "generation" so the Jehovahs Witnesses still hold that that all the signs indicate we are living in "the last days" and that the end is "immenent".


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:15 am
Miles wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 pm QUESTIONS:

1. Should continuing blunders such as these have any bearing on the credibility of a religion?

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Blunders are part of life, every religion in existence has made them. If a religion corrects them and moves on, it should not not necessarily be a "game changer".
But what if such "correction" is not corrective at all, but just another blunder? And any correction of that blunder is just another blunder? And any correction of . . . . ?.. Can a religion really retain its credibility if after 148 years it can't fix itself?


Miles wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:23 pm QUESTIONS:

2. What do you think it says about the Jehovah's Witnesses religion?
It says at least they are trying to "keep on the watch" as Jesus commanded. Most people would rather an alarm went off too early then too late!
But none of these were true alarms, only false alarms. Nineteen of them so far. Don't JWs ever tire of having to move their goal posts? Heck, even it's last moving exercise only took them from the "20th century" to "in our day," which, by my calculations, only gives the organization about 60 years before it will most likely have to move them again. Looking at its track record, mover of the goalposts should be a permanent position with the JWs.

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Miles wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 4:47 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:15 am
Blunders are part of life, every religion in existence has made them. If a religion corrects them and moves on, it should not not necessarily be a "game changer".
But what if such "correction" is not corrective at all, but just another blunder? And any correction of that blunder is just another blunder?
Well it takes time, humans are just that human... it took many decades for the Jewish Christians to understand that they had to leave the temple based system entirely behind. If they get there in the end then the journey was a learning experience. It took many decades for Jehovahs Witnesses free themselves from thousands of years of faulty religious thinking , we have had a long journey, it took some time but we got there in the end as evidenced by the fact that it has been decades since we stopped publishing speculations about what year the end will come.

Getting there in the end is the point, not how many times one falls!



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Miles wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 4:47 pm But none of these were true alarms, only false alarms.

Not "false" alarms ( Jesus is coming) , just too early. The Apostles expected Jesus to set up his kingdom in the 1st century and they were THOUSANDS of years off target. We are in the "last days" of that there is no doubt , we were simply overly eager and misunderstood what that meant in the early days ... when you know better, do better

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