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Let's consider these three types of non-Canadians:
1. One who at some point lived in Canada but then rejected their citizenship and moved away.
2. One who never lived in Canada but had heard of the country.
3. One who never lived in Canada and never heard of the country.
Which of these non-Canadians are Canadians?
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Are non-Canadians Canadians?
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
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I guess we'd need an agreed upon definition of a Canadian before proceeding. Whatcha got?
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Post #3I don't know. Someone who currently lives in and is a citizen of Canada.
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Post #4You haven't mentioned flannel, poutine, or Labatt's. I might be a non-non-Canadian or something.
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Post #5Well, yes. I also failed to mention the Great White North. Clearly my analysis in incomplete.
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
Post #6You don't bury survivors.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:46 pm .
Let's consider these three types of non-Canadians:
1. One who at some point lived in Canada but then rejected their citizenship and moved away.
2. One who never lived in Canada but had heard of the country.
3. One who never lived in Canada and never heard of the country.
Which of these non-Canadians are Canadians?
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
Post #7Well, not right away of course. But, at some point down the line (hopefully many years after the plane crash) it might be the appropriate action.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:27 amYou don't bury survivors.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:46 pm .
Let's consider these three types of non-Canadians:
1. One who at some point lived in Canada but then rejected their citizenship and moved away.
2. One who never lived in Canada but had heard of the country.
3. One who never lived in Canada and never heard of the country.
Which of these non-Canadians are Canadians?
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
Post #8Logically speaking, that's what non means: That the answer to this question is no because a non-thing is not whatever that thing is.
The trouble with the other topic is that atheists think there isn't a god, theists think there is one, and everybody's trying to hungry-hungry-hippo-style gobble up all of the maybe marbles for their category because they think the other side is fundamentally unreasonable and absolute, and they're trying to define the other side into being that by eating those marbles.
So when both sides claim to have a monopoly on maybe, yes they become the same.
Let's apply this to the current topic about Canadians.
Canadians: "We have dual-citizenship in America."
Non-Canadians: "We have dual citizenship in America."
Canadians: "How many of you Americans have citizenship in Canada?"
Non-Canadians: "Pretty much all of us. It's possible that we all do. We all at least admit the possibility that we do."
Canadians: "So wait, are Canadians and non-Canadians the same thing?"
Non-Canadians: "I'm so offended right now."
The trouble with the other topic is that atheists think there isn't a god, theists think there is one, and everybody's trying to hungry-hungry-hippo-style gobble up all of the maybe marbles for their category because they think the other side is fundamentally unreasonable and absolute, and they're trying to define the other side into being that by eating those marbles.
So when both sides claim to have a monopoly on maybe, yes they become the same.
Let's apply this to the current topic about Canadians.
Canadians: "We have dual-citizenship in America."
Non-Canadians: "We have dual citizenship in America."
Canadians: "How many of you Americans have citizenship in Canada?"
Non-Canadians: "Pretty much all of us. It's possible that we all do. We all at least admit the possibility that we do."
Canadians: "So wait, are Canadians and non-Canadians the same thing?"
Non-Canadians: "I'm so offended right now."
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
Post #9None of them are Canadians.Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:46 pm .
Let's consider these three types of non-Canadians:
1. One who at some point lived in Canada but then rejected their citizenship and moved away.
2. One who never lived in Canada but had heard of the country.
3. One who never lived in Canada and never heard of the country.
Which of these non-Canadians are Canadians?
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Re: Are non-Canadians Canadians?
Post #10What about Ted Cruz, who was born as a Canadian citizen, moved to the U.S. and then many years later renounced his Canadian citizenship?
Apparently he claimed American citizenship, because at least one of his parents was an American citizen.
Apparently he claimed American citizenship, because at least one of his parents was an American citizen.