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Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
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Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #61I'm literally admitting it. Christianity is basically good evolution.Clownboat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:30 amYou have to admit, it would be a great strategy to keep a belief going. Have lots of children and raise them up to belong to the geographic religion of the area.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:11 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #48]
In my experience Christians and religious people have larger families and ignore the world as best they can.
I would suggest threats of eternal torment if they even get look warm about their beliefs and promises of eternal bliss if they keep their beliefs. That will also help when raising said children.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #62It seems that when I say 'tomato', you hear 'bowling shoes'.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:23 pmI'm literally admitting it. Christianity is basically good evolution.Clownboat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:30 amYou have to admit, it would be a great strategy to keep a belief going. Have lots of children and raise them up to belong to the geographic religion of the area.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:11 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #48]
In my experience Christians and religious people have larger families and ignore the world as best they can.
I would suggest threats of eternal torment if they even get look warm about their beliefs and promises of eternal bliss if they keep their beliefs. That will also help when raising said children.
Having lots of children and raising them up to belong to the religion of the area is not evolution, good or bad. The actual word you are looking for is indoctrination. Christianity is basically indoctrination (I acknowledge there are exceptions), it has nothing to do with evolution and I don't see much 'good' with threatening our children with eternal torment if they stray from the religion of their geography. This doesn't even touch on the wars and divisions religions have caused over the years. I'm not seeing the 'good' you claimed is there.
The desperation here is palpable.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #63[Replying to Clownboat in post #62]
I wouldn't say anyone is threatened with hell. Hell just awaits.
If you don't study hard or do your best now then later on you might be in a job you don't like because you can't get better - hell awaits.
If you don't tend to your marriage and prioritise it - hell awaits.
I might make this into a poem one day.
I wouldn't say anyone is threatened with hell. Hell just awaits.
If you don't study hard or do your best now then later on you might be in a job you don't like because you can't get better - hell awaits.
If you don't tend to your marriage and prioritise it - hell awaits.
I might make this into a poem one day.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #64[Replying to Clownboat in post #62]
On indoctrination. We are all indoctrinated by what we believe. As Oprah says, "You get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated ... "
Be conscious of this. Choose your illusion.
On indoctrination. We are all indoctrinated by what we believe. As Oprah says, "You get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated ... "
Be conscious of this. Choose your illusion.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #66You appear to be equating a short stint in a not so ideal job or a difficult marriage with an inescapable eternity of punishment in hell. Neither of your chosen outcomes will necessarily eventuate and can hardly be considered as threatening. On the other hand telling someone that they need to believe in a particular God, even if they find it impossible, or they will end up in Hell forever is most certainly threatening. I'm not sure that turning your words into a poem will save them from mediocrity.Wootah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:25 pm [Replying to Clownboat in post #62]
I wouldn't say anyone is threatened with hell. Hell just awaits.
If you don't study hard or do your best now then later on you might be in a job you don't like because you can't get better - hell awaits.
If you don't tend to your marriage and prioritise it - hell awaits.
I might make this into a poem one day.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #67Then you are wrong as we were constantly reminded of hell with threats as to how to get there. Even being 'luke warm' about your god beliefs was used as a threat about going to hell. I acknowledge some churches/schools threaten less then others though.
Sounds like a threat.Hell just awaits.
See! I'm saying tomato and your saying bowling shoes!If you don't study hard or do your best now then later on you might be in a job you don't like because you can't get better - hell awaits.
If you don't tend to your marriage and prioritise it - hell awaits.
Were you really confused about the hell I was talking about? I don't think you were, yet here you talk about some 'hell' as a statement and not as the place sinners go according to the Bible.
Seems like desperation to me.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #68This is true for religion, like I claimed. It is not true of all knowledge.
I have knowledge/beliefs about keeping fish for example that I have formed from experience. I was not indoctrinated.
in·doc·tri·na·tion
noun
the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
This seems like an attempt to level the playing field by trying to make it seems like indoctrination is a normal thing. Mind you, some might see this a desperation.
You need to acknowledge when this statement isn't true, like in the example I provided to you. Oprah or no Oprah. Indoctrination is not something we should encourage,As Oprah says, "You get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated, you get indoctrinated ... "
I am conscious and acknowledge that your blanket statement about indoctrination is not accurate.Be conscious of this.
What illusions do you refer to that I need to chose from?Choose your illusion.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #69What difference does it make? Virtually everyone agrees gender attraction is not a choice. Science says the same thing. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/sexual-orientation
Yet a large swath of Christian fundamentalists act, preach, and lecture as if it is a choice. What kind of a 'god' or religion condemns people for decisions outside their control?
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Re: Homosexuality: nature or nurture?
Post #70The best phrasing I've heard in a coon's age
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