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If a theist says "I know there's a god," and another theist says "I believe there's a god, do each have the same burden of proof? Why or why not?
"A burden of proof is the obligation to prove one's assertion."
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Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #21Nah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #22prove it?Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:05 pmNah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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So you are one of the atheists that DOESbelieve in God? Cool
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #23"prove it?" Assuming this is a typo of some sort, what is it you meant to say?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:35 pmprove it?Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:05 pmNah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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So you are one of the atheists that DOESbelieve in God? Cool
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #24That is not proof.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:38 pm"prove it?" Assuming this is a typo of some sort, what is it you meant to say?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:35 pmprove it?Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:05 pmNah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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So you are one of the atheists that DOESbelieve in God? Cool
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #25What is not proof?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:42 pmThat is not proof.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:38 pm"prove it?" Assuming this is a typo of some sort, what is it you meant to say?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:35 pmprove it?Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:05 pmNah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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So you are one of the atheists that DOESbelieve in God? Cool
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #26Anything you cannot prove.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:59 pmWhat is not proof?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:42 pmThat is not proof.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:38 pm"prove it?" Assuming this is a typo of some sort, what is it you meant to say?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:35 pmprove it?Miles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:05 pmNah. Just one of the atheists who is willing to concede that god may exist should reasonable evidence ever show up, but so far, nada. Unfortunately, theists simply can't step up to the plate without striking out.Ozzy_O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:09 amMiles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:34 pmNot necessarily at all. In fact, most atheists contend that atheism is a lack of belief in a god, (that god exists).
Then you'll first have to get hold of atheists who "'think' there is no God," and as far as I know no such atheist posts here on DC&R.In still waiting for them to prove their assertions.....
Good luck in your search.
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So you are one of the atheists that DOESbelieve in God? Cool
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #27It depends on how you approach theology in general. If you believe religion is something that can be tested by science then they are two different things because knowing would require proof and test. If you view religion the same as you would emotion-based relationships then they hold the same weight. For instance if someone said to me I believe my wife is faithful and I know my wife is faithful I would assume both those statements were equal. To me science has nothing to do with religion. Religion is not meant to be science. Our relationship with deities is what forms and continues to drive religion. Therefore someone saying knows and believes in that relationship they have with their deity is the same for me.
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #28[Replying to PolytheistWitch in post #27]
To believe, is to have faith. To know, is to have evidence.For instance if someone said to me I believe my wife is faithful and I know my wife is faithful I would assume both those statements were equal.
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #29[Replying to William in post #28]
If someone were to say I know my spouse is not cheating on me that would mean that they have evidence that they're not? Or would it mean that they have never found evidence that they are? Again when you look at those words in regards to relationships they don't mean the same thing as they might if you're looking at science or facts.
If someone were to say I know my spouse is not cheating on me that would mean that they have evidence that they're not? Or would it mean that they have never found evidence that they are? Again when you look at those words in regards to relationships they don't mean the same thing as they might if you're looking at science or facts.
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Re: Do "Knowing" And "Believing" Carry The Same Burden Of Proof?
Post #30[Replying to PolytheistWitch in post #29]
People don't always use words correctly and do have a habit of conflating.
If someone has no evidence of something then they believe but do not know.
People don't always use words correctly and do have a habit of conflating.
If someone has no evidence of something then they believe but do not know.