Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

[detniona]

[Replying to otseng in post #1]

You all may be living your last days,
I am immortal, there are no
last days for me.

[Sherlock Holmes]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

We all are, each one of us, this is true today and was true a thousand years ago.

[JehovahsWitness]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

We all are, each one of us, this is true today and was true a thousand years ago.

I was speaking biblically. The last days in scripture refers to the period (one generation in duration) that immediately precedes the return of Christ, the destruction of the wicked and the end of the entire world system of things.

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[2timothy316]

There are always floods, earthquakes, plagues and religio-lunies claiming this is the end.

Likewise, scoffers will mock it is not the end.

2Pe 3:3-4 ESV - knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."

I believe we are in the last days in several aspects, and not all of them are religious.

We are in the last days of the United States as a great nation. We are rapidly descending into socialism and into a police state. The massive debt incurred by the government, corporations, and individuals will bankrupt us. Society will soon start to collapse as bread lines get longer, grocery shelves get emptier, and more file for unemployment. Massive monetary policy will only lead to hyperinflation and kill the dollar as the reserve currency.

Things around the world are not much better. All countries seem to be racing towards the bottom of devaluing their currency and printing money with total abandon. Governments are seizing power and bringing everyone into submission. Meanwhile, millions, if not billions, are on the path of starving to death while being locked down in their homes.

Governments keep lying to the people and really have no idea how to handle all the crises that are happening. They promise solutions and when they do try to help, it only makes things worse. Pretty soon, the public will realize they are being duped by their leaders.

For years I've believed the end is near, but not publicly willing to make the claim. Now I'm convinced it's here.

All the talk about a V-shaped recovery or we'll go back to normal after COVID-19 is over or the Fed has this in control are all wishful thinking. We are entering a global super depression that history books will be talking about for thousands of years from now (if humanity still exists).

I would like to point out this post was from 4 years ago and much of it has indeed come true. We certainly are not back to normal four years later.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #534

We are rapidly descending into socialism

Nothing could be further from the reality of the situation. Socialism is the means of production owned and controlled by those who do the producing [the People], so we clearly continue to move away from socialism as large private corporations grab more and more power.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #534

We are rapidly descending into socialism

Nothing could be further from the reality of the situation. Socialism is the means of production owned and controlled by those who do the producing [the People], so we clearly continue to move away from socialism as large private corporations grab more and more power.

Quite so. I'd say ever the former Soviet and Maoist states learned that capitalism was more profitable (even though it might lead to price increases and inflation) China, even though it keeps the old Communist symbols, is one party state capitalism, just like Russia but without using religion to delude and mislead the masses.

Yes, I do not regard politics as a line with extremes of Left and Right but a circle, with Liberality at one side and the extremes of Marxism and fascism meeting at the opposite side, and so alike, one can keep the same rulers and just swap the cap - badges. Just as I saw in Burma when it turned from a Socialist republic to a military Junta, overnight. Same people, different labels.

Anyway, that aside, even if we were going socialist which we ain't, that would not mark the end times. Far from it.

It's true we are going through a bad patch, but there is light, especially with the aid to Ukraine bill geting passed and the Maga campaign is looking really headed for the toilet. Commerce took a hit because the Plague drove everyone online, and people have gotten used to that. Why go out and shop when you can browse online and have it delivered? Why hire staff when you can use your customers as unpaid E - workers from home?

It is a change but not an end. Don't let those doom - mongers delude us who would be glad to see the world collapse in misery if they could claim it was validating the Bible. And even less, those itching for a world bonfire they see as prophecy coming to pass.

Which right now, it ain't except in their deluded minds.

[Capbook]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

Yes as they say that the Bible prophecies of events prior to Jesus coming are news headlines now.
The last days (as described by the bible) is relevant to the people who will actually live to see it. Yet, the Bible tells us that no man knows the hour and while we have signs and signals, and we see the unraveling occur, we don’t know if we shall live till the “thread comes off the spool”. Hence, each person should treat each day they are given as their last, while simultaneously preparing for tomorrow if God should grant them life yet another day.

[TRANSPONDER]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

Yes as they say that the Bible prophecies of events prior to Jesus coming are news headlines now.
The last days (as described by the bible) is relevant to the people who will actually live to see it. Yet, the Bible tells us that no man knows the hour and while we have signs and signals, and we see the unraveling occur, we don’t know if we shall live till the “thread comes off the spool”. Hence, each person should treat each day they are given as their last, while simultaneously preparing for tomorrow if God should grant them life yet another day.

Save the preaching. The fact is that people have been proclaiming the Last days even since the 2nd c BC. And it still hasn't happened.

Moreover, the basis for claiming anything true in the Bible on which to base such end time predictions is invalid. The Bible can't be relied on for even known matters, so why should we trust it for Unknown matters?

I had to go and find this, as this guy sicks in my mind as well as my craw. I am not a violent man, but I think this fellow comes a close 2nd to Nigel Farrage as the a face I most want to hit.



Of course his prophecy did not come true and he made himself more contemptible by trying to spin it out (in the next video I recall) as having stated but will become noticeable in a day or so...or a month or so.... I don't know where he is now but I hope he's no longer scamming his flock of dupes but begging for change on State street Chicago.

Treat each day as your last is not entirely wrong, but it is misguided, perversely twisted and unsound. Like 'the birds and lilies', turn the other cheek and give the mugger who snatched your phone your wallet and car keys too. Bad advice and nobody lines like that.

Nobody lives like that, and nobody lives like it's their last day, not even Christians. They plan for a future they may or may not get, but it is foolishness to Not plan for it, just because the end of the world might come.

It is a scam and con to pretend we do or should live like there was no tomorrow. Sure, we should value each day because our lives are finite and it is the limited edition of life that gives it value. issuing an infinity of it (like days in an eternity) makes it without value.

[Capbook]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

Yes as they say that the Bible prophecies of events prior to Jesus coming are news headlines now.
The last days (as described by the bible) is relevant to the people who will actually live to see it. Yet, the Bible tells us that no man knows the hour and while we have signs and signals, and we see the unraveling occur, we don’t know if we shall live till the “thread comes off the spool”. Hence, each person should treat each day they are given as their last, while simultaneously preparing for tomorrow if God should grant them life yet another day.

Save the preaching. The fact is that people have been proclaiming the Last days even since the 2nd c BC. And it still hasn't happened.

Moreover, the basis for claiming anything true in the Bible on which to base such end time predictions is invalid. The Bible can't be relied on for even known matters, so why should we trust it for Unknown matters?

I had to go and find this, as this guy sicks in my mind as well as my craw. I am not a violent man, but I think this fellow comes a close 2nd to Nigel Farrage as the a face I most want to hit.



Of course his prophecy did not come true and he made himself more contemptible by trying to spin it out (in the next video I recall) as having stated but will become noticeable in a day or so...or a month or so.... I don't know where he is now but I hope he's no longer scamming his flock of dupes but begging for change on Main street Chicago.

Well, I respect that non-theist does not believe on last days of the earth, but we Christians believe it is coming.
The title of the thread I believe a concept from the Bible as non-theist doesn't believe it.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to Capbook in post #539]

Yes. but this is a debate forum, not a preaching forum.

It is not set here for true believers to witness or for unbelievers to say we don't believe it, but to discuss why we believe or do not.

I say I do not believe in the last Days, because (a) there is no mechanism for the earth going phut any time soon, but also fool me once practice.. it hasn't come around with the hundreds of predictions. You don't fool me twice, even if Believers are willing to be fooled endlessly. Because the more they are cheated by false prophets, the more they think they are virtue - signalling. Victimised martyrs, tested in their faith by God.
It is a perfect system for scamming the suckers, especially those who dearly want to be fooled.

Yes, yes, folks. I think second only to televangelists do I hate loathe and detest prophets of doomesday.