If evolution is true doesn't that explain all violence?
Why do evolutionists worry about a natural subset of violence which may be called relgious violence?
Is this a survival mechanism of evolutionists or a reproductive advantage to worry about such things?
Violence is au natural
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Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Violence is au natural
Post #2Yes.Wootah wrote: If evolution is true doesn't that explain all violence?
We worry about all sorts of violence but we particularly don't like religious violence because it's extra senseless. Violence due to conflict in resources, sure, not nice but understandable, but violence due to what and how to worship?Why do evolutionists worry about a natural subset of violence which may be called relgious violence?
Yes. The less random violence there is in a society the fitter the population.Is this a survival mechanism of evolutionists or a reproductive advantage to worry about such things?
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Re: Violence is au natural
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So is your concern that you don't think religious violence will best expedite our species' evolution?
Since random mutation is beneficial why are you so certain random violence isnt beneficial?
So is your concern that you don't think religious violence will best expedite our species' evolution?
Since random mutation is beneficial why are you so certain random violence isnt beneficial?
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Re: Violence is au natural
Post #4Kinda, more generally, my concern is that religious beliefs (not just the violence it inspire) will get in the way of secularism, hindering societal development, rather than our biological evolution.Wootah wrote: So is your concern that you don't think religious violence will best expedite our species' evolution?
What is the feature being selected for here? Religious beliefs aren't inherited and we could do with less tribalism rather than more.Since random mutation is beneficial why are you so certain random violence isnt beneficial?
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Re: Violence is au natural
Post #5[Replying to post 1 by Wootah]
If Evolution is true, why does the Human Kind become so incredibly many?
Shouldn't butcher away at each other so that the superior genes "win through" whatever that's supposed to mean?
If Evolution is true, why does the Human Kind become so incredibly many?
Shouldn't butcher away at each other so that the superior genes "win through" whatever that's supposed to mean?
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Post #6Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Violence is au natural
Post #7One reason would be that theists use words like "evolutionists" not as a descriptive term, but as a reason to consider other human beings as somehow different than themselves. Once a group welding power coins a term to consider others as somehow fundamentally different and lesser than themselves, they consider violence against those not equal to their extra-special selves as justified.Wootah wrote:
Why do evolutionists worry about a natural subset of violence which may be called relgious violence?
The only situation more dangerous than this would be for the group welding power to also claim that they have some extra-special supernatural being who is in favor of their unjustified prejudice and willingness to use violence against those they have determined are different and lesser than themselves. This is in fact the reasoning behind religious violence.
Are you surprised that this would cause worry amongst those deemed to be different and lesser by those known to use violence to push their agenda of claimed superiority?
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Re: Violence is au natural
Post #8Maybe, but it's an inclusive one rather than a divisive one.Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 4 by Bust Nak]
Secularism sounds like a tribe in our context. Very clever of you.
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Post #9Which religions are you concerned about that aren't inclusive?Bust Nak wrote:Maybe, but it's an inclusive one rather than a divisive one.Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 4 by Bust Nak]
Secularism sounds like a tribe in our context. Very clever of you.
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Post #10What is someone that believes in evolution to be called? Why would you be worried about violence if is 'au natural'?Tcg wrote:One reason would be that theists use words like "evolutionists" not as a descriptive term, but as a reason to consider other human beings as somehow different than themselves. Once a group welding power coins a term to consider others as somehow fundamentally different and lesser than themselves, they consider violence against those not equal to their extra-special selves as justified.Wootah wrote:
Why do evolutionists worry about a natural subset of violence which may be called relgious violence?
The only situation more dangerous than this would be for the group welding power to also claim that they have some extra-special supernatural being who is in favor of their unjustified prejudice and willingness to use violence against those they have determined are different and lesser than themselves. This is in fact the reasoning behind religious violence.
Are you surprised that this would cause worry amongst those deemed to be different and lesser by those known to use violence to push their agenda of claimed superiority?
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