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Did Trump Mock a Disabled Reporter? I'm Undecided...

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I'll admit that I have an opinion, but I also admit I might be wrong. Regardless of any political views (I won't be sharing mine in this thread), he either did or did not do the deed.

It appears he did mock the guy, but there's evidence that he has used the same tone and gestures referring to others and even himself.

1. Are those who say he did rushing to judgment with incomplete data?
2. Did he do it?
3. (If you say yes) Was it general mockery or was it targeted at the specific physical manifestations of this reporter's exact disability?

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List facts and make a case for or against your claim. (Was he mocking the reporter?)

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Re: Did Trump Mock a Disabled Reporter? I'm Undecided...

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Plumbus Grumbo wrote: List facts and make a case for or against your claim. (Was he mocking the reporter?)
My take on it is as follows:

He was clearly mocking the reporter's disability in the way he was holding his hands and acting like as if he was the reporter.

Whether he was intending to mock the reporter's disability is impossible to say.

However, my position is that a person who is planning on being the leader of the free world needs to have a level of maturity to know better than to behave that way in public. Especially in front of the entire nation and the world.

His behavior (whether intentional or not) gives the masses permission by example to mock people's disabilities.

He's condoning this type of behavior whether he realizes it or not.

So my final conclusion is that if Trump is so unaware that his behavior sends a message to the entire nation, and to the world, then he has no business holding the position of the leader of the America.

Here's a question I would recommend that you ask yourself:

Do you condone that everyone should freely mock the disabilities of people they do not agree with?

If not, then how can you support a leader of America who exhibits this kind of behavior thus condoning it by example as being totally acceptable?

After all, if the President of the United States can mock a person's disability then surely it must be totally acceptable behavior. Otherwise we'd have to acknowledge that our president isn't behaving in an acceptable manner.

So this is a serious problem in my view. And what makes it even worse is Trump's refusal to renounce it or own up to it himself. Instead of saying, "Yes, I made a mistake and I should have never done that", he just doubles-down on it proclaiming that there was nothing wrong with.

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To go a bit beyond the specific incident you've brought up, we also have the so-called "locker room banter" where Trump attempts to normalize the idea that it's perfectly normal for all men to talk about grabbing women by their genitals.

This is the same problem. To normalize this is to say, "Yes we all agree that all men talk like this in locker rooms".

That's absolute hogwash!

So the problem is that Trump tends to normalize behaviors that aren't normal.

He is giving American youth (and even adult American men) permission to be crude, rude and ignorant, under the claim that all men are like this.

That's absolute baloney. All men are NOT like that.

In fact, if Trump believes that all men are like that, then this is extremely problematic because it only suggests that Trump is totally like this and just assumes that everyone else is like him. It's simply not true.

So yes, this is deeply troublesome.

Also, if some people don't like Trump could it be that it's because of the the way he behaves and what he thinks is "normal"?

I agree with those who have suggested that the School Bully has just become our president. Everyone isn't like the school bully. But now with Trump leading our nation he's going to normalize bullying like as if it's the norm.

We can only hope that he grows up real quick. And that's not meant to be an insult toward him, but rather a very sincere hope. We need a responsible adult leading our nation and setting examples for our youth. We don't need someone to just shrug off human decency and condone acting on pure immature impulses.

As you can see I'm quite passionate about this particular issue.

But I think rightfully so. That last thing we need is a president who's acting like an immature adolescent and double-down on that behavior as being perfectly "normal".

Trump may very well be too immature to be leading America.
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Re: Did Trump Mock a Disabled Reporter? I'm Undecided...

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Divine Insight wrote:
Plumbus Grumbo wrote: List facts and make a case for or against your claim. (Was he mocking the reporter?)
My take on it is as follows:

He was clearly mocking the reporter's disability in the way he was holding his hands and acting like as if he was the reporter.

Whether he was intending to mock the reporter's disability is impossible to say.

However, my position is that a person who is planning on being the leader of the free world needs to have a level of maturity to know better than to behave that way in public. Especially in front of the entire nation and the world.

His behavior (whether intentional or not) gives the masses permission by example to mock people's disabilities.

He's condoning this type of behavior whether he realizes it or not.

So my final conclusion is that if Trump is so unaware that his behavior sends a message to the entire nation, and to the world, then he has no business holding the position of the leader of the America.

Here's a question I would recommend that you ask yourself:

Do you condone that everyone should freely mock the disabilities of people they do not agree with?

If not, then how can you support a leader of America who exhibits this kind of behavior thus condoning it by example as being totally acceptable?

After all, if the President of the United States can mock a person's disability then surely it must be totally acceptable behavior. Otherwise we'd have to acknowledge that our president isn't behaving in an acceptable manner.

So this is a serious problem in my view. And what makes it even worse is Trump's refusal to renounce it or own up to it himself. Instead of saying, "Yes, I made a mistake and I should have never done that", he just doubles-down on it proclaiming that there was nothing wrong with.

~~~~~~~

To go a bit beyond the specific incident you've brought up, we also have the so-called "locker room banter" where Trump attempts to normalize the idea that it's perfectly normal for all men to talk about grabbing women by their genitals.

This is the same problem. To normalize this is to say, "Yes we all agree that all men talk like this in locker rooms".

That's absolute hogwash!

So the problem is that Trump tends to normalize behaviors that aren't normal.

He is giving American youth (and even adult American men) permission to be crude, rude and ignorant, under the claim that all men are like this.

That's absolute baloney. All men are NOT like that.

In fact, if Trump believes that all men are like that, then this is extremely problematic because it only suggests that Trump is totally like this and just assumes that everyone else is like him. It's simply not true.

So yes, this is deeply troublesome.

Also, if some people don't like Trump could it be that it's because of the the way he behaves and what he thinks is "normal"?

I agree with those who have suggested that the School Bully has just become our president. Everyone isn't like the school bully. But now with Trump leading our nation he's going to normalize bullying like as if it's the norm.

We can only hope that he grows up real quick. And that's not meant to be an insult toward him, but rather a very sincere hope. We need a responsible adult leading our nation and setting examples for our youth. We don't need someone to just shrug off human decency and condone acting on pure immature impulses.

As you can see I'm quite passionate about this particular issue.

But I think rightfully so. That last thing we need is a president who's acting like an immature adolescent and double-down on that behavior as being perfectly "normal".

Trump may very well be too immature to be leading America.

Great post. Liked.

I wish I could comment further, but I'd like to get opinions from both sides before I do. (Trying to figure out how to give some points to you).

I need a "devil's advocate" here to put forth a case in support of the opposite claim.

Btw, have you researched arguments that attempt to persuade the reader that he wasn't mocking the guy? I admit I haven't researched them very much I guess I should practice what I preach...

I think they include,
1. There are several film clips spliced together.
2. He has mocked others and himself in the past with the same movements and speech patterns.
3. His movements and speech are not a good representation of that reporter's physical movements and speech due to his disability.

I admit to not having researched these claims carefully. Hopefully someone will put together a good argument (as you did!) for the antithesis of your position.

Thanks!!

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