Christian Politics

[jcrawford]

As a Christian statesman, rather than churchman, I would claim that Christian citizens can freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within both church and state assemblies here in America, if not anywhere else in the world.

I'm sure there may be a few posters on this political forum who may disagree with, and object to, such a Christian political claim in their state and city government. However, I am willing to prove that they would have no more right to speak freely in government than a Christian statesman does, if they deny him his God-given and constitutional right to speak religiously and to exercise and express his religious beliefs and opinions in state government.

[micatala]

I'm not sure what the question for debate is here.

As far as your claim:

I would claim that Christian citizens can freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within both church and state assemblies here in America, if not anywhere else in the world.

I would certainly agree, although it doesn't seem to be much of a claim since it seems to follow quite directly from the first amendment. What's the big deal?

[Wyvern]

As a Christian statesman, rather than churchman, I would claim that Christian citizens can freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within both church and state assemblies here in America, if not anywhere else in the world.

I'm sure there may be a few posters on this political forum who may disagree with, and object to, such a Christian political claim in their state and city government. However, I am willing to prove that they would have no more right to speak freely in government than a Christian statesman does, if they deny him his God-given and constitutional right to speak religiously and to exercise and express his religious beliefs and opinions in state government.

Yep, in America that is your right however in many other parts of the world you do so at your own risk. This is also with the understanding that you allow anyone else with any other religious view or faith to speak freely as well. If someone wants to openly express their religious views to the world all they are doing is making themselves politically vulnerable which is why few do so unless they have major backup.

[1John2_26]

The question for debate should have been:

Is Christianity seen as a detriment to the new political ideation?

The New World Order.

The answer of course would be: "Not openly," if the politician believes in authentic Christianity.

[jcrawford]

I'm not sure what the question for debate is here.

Are there any posters on this Politics and Religion Forum who may disagree with, and object to, such a Christian political claim in their state and city government?

As far as your claim:

I would claim that Christian citizens can freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within both church and state assemblies here in America, if not anywhere else in the world.

I would certainly agree, although it doesn't seem to be much of a claim since it seems to follow quite directly from the first amendment. What's the big deal?

I suppose the "big deal" would be some poster claiming that Christian statesmen CANNOT freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within state or municipal legislative assemblies here in America.

[Cephus]

I suppose the "big deal" would be some poster claiming that Christian statesmen CANNOT freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within state or municipal legislative assemblies here in America.

I don't think you're going to find anyone who claims that. Everyone has the same right to free speech, Christian and non-Christian alike. What you don't have a right to do, however, is force your beliefs on anyone else.

[Cathar1950]

I would wonder how some would respond if someone ran for office as an atheist? On a national level this would be political suicide. I am not sure if we can really separate ourselves from our beliefs or non-beliefs. The world values reason even if it isn't practiced; yet power often seems to drive reason to rational. It is complicated as hell. Mostly politics is entertainment. Any one desiring a political position is automatically suspect and demands our scrutiny. I am not paranoid.

[jcrawford]

I suppose the "big deal" would be some poster claiming that Christian statesmen CANNOT freely exercise their constitutional and God-given rights to free religious speech and free exercise of religion within state or municipal legislative assemblies here in America.

I don't think you're going to find anyone who claims that. Everyone has the same right to free speech, Christian and non-Christian alike. What you don't have a right to do, however, is force your beliefs on anyone else.

If atheists and secularists have the right to force their beliefs on others, don't Christians, Jews and Muslims have the same right in America? If not, what are we doing supporting and defending religious states in the Middle East and Afghanistan with our tax dollars for?

[jcrawford]

I would wonder how some would respond if someone ran for office as an atheist? On a national level this would be political suicide. I am not sure if we can really separate ourselves from our beliefs or non-beliefs. The world values reason even if it isn't practiced; yet power often seems to drive reason to rational. It is complicated as hell. Mostly politics is entertainment. Any one desiring a political position is automatically suspect and demands our scrutiny. I am not paranoid.

That's actually funny, Cathar1950.

As an atheist running for higher office, I am not paranoid but I think I may be committing political suicide because so many theists just hate my guts.

As a politician running for higher office on a devout Christian platform which is complicated as hell, if not entertaining, I am not paranoid just because the pro-aborts and gay marriage freaks call me a bigoted bastard.

etc.

[Cephus]

If atheists and secularists have the right to force their beliefs on others, don't Christians, Jews and Muslims have the same right in America? If not, what are we doing supporting and defending religious states in the Middle East and Afghanistan with our tax dollars for?

Since when are atheists trying to force their beliefs on anyone? When was the last time there was a law passed to close your church or burn your Bible? You're blowing smoke out of your patootie, as usual.

And I don't know, why don't you ask your CHRISTIAN President about that?