Do You Have Any Creationist style beliefs?

[jgh7]

This question goes out to everyone. Devout creationists, mild creationists, even non creationists I guess.

I sort of believe in God existing. I think my strongest beliefs for this stem from creationist ideas.
1)I believe something had to create the universe or the big bang.
2)I also believe that something is guiding evolution. I completely believe in evolution, but I believe something has to be guiding it. Everything is simply too complex, intricate, and specialized to be completely random.

So these are my beliefs. I know people will hold a lot of contention with my second belief. I admit I'm definitely no expert in evolution science. But I was just wondering if others have any creationist style beliefs out there.

[puddleglum]

I agree with your first statement. God has revealed his existence through his creation. Some people reject this knowledge because they don't want to be accountable to God.

The theory of evolution came about as an alternate explanation for our existence. Anyone who doesn't believe in God is forced to believe in it and if he is involved in scientific research he will interpret the data he finds in such a way as to support that belief. We live in a culture in which evolution is accepted as being something that has been proved to be true and few people examine the evidence to see if it has in fact been proven. I believe the world was created is six literal days just as the Bible says and there is scientific evidence to show that this is true. Here are two entries in my blog in which I give more details to support this:

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -creation/

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2013/ ... selection/

[Divine Insight]

1)I believe something had to create the universe or the big bang.

The problem with this is that it doesn't solve any problem or answer any questions. All it basically does is assume that something far more complex than the universe (i.e. an intelligent creator) had to exist in order to explain the existence of the universe.

But that's no explanation at all since there would then be no explanation for how that extremely complex creator would have come to exist in the first place.

So a creator "hypothesis" doesn't offer anything. All it does is basically give up and just assume something that would actually be less rational.

2)I also believe that something is guiding evolution. I completely believe in evolution, but I believe something has to be guiding it. Everything is simply too complex, intricate, and specialized to be completely random.

So these are my beliefs. I know people will hold a lot of contention with my second belief. I admit I'm definitely no expert in evolution science. But I was just wondering if others have any creationist style beliefs out there.

There is absolutely no need for anything to "guide" evolution. That's the whole point of evolution "theory".

As scientific "theory" is basically an "explanation" for how something works. It's not a guess, it's an explanation. And evolution "theory" does indeed explain precisely how evolution works.

If there is any "mystery" to why evolution works the way it does, the "mystery" lies in the structure of atoms and the laws of physics. Not in how evolution actually proceeds.

There simply is no need for the process of evolution to be "magically guided" by some external intervening intelligence. That's the whole point of evolution "theory". The theory actually explains why this is not necessary.

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Also, we must look at this same problem from a purely theological view if we are going to suggest that some God is "Guiding" evolution.

Just think of the problems associate with this. If a God is required to guide every molecule, then not only would evolution need to be guided but so would procreation. Therefore, if there is a God who intervenes with these biological processes then every birth defect would be the purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

Every genetic disease would be the purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

Every pregnancy would be the purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

Every failure to become pregnant would be a purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

In short. If there exists an intervening creator that "guides" evolution, then that creator is directly responsible for every biological situation that exists.

Considering some of the extremely grotesque birth defects, genetic diseases, and other biological failings, a God who is running everything like a puppet show isn't doing a very good job, and this God's morality would surely come into question.

So I don't see a God who has to babysit biological processes as being a very attractive theological idea. There are simply too many theological problems associated with that hypothesis.

And speaking of the Biblical God, why would this God have continued to place new baby souls in the wombs of sinners knowing ahead of time that he was going to drown them?

This is an extreme problem for theologians I would think.

A God who could simply quit handing out babies and be rid of a sinful culture within a single generation instead chooses to continue to place new baby souls in their wombs and then drowns them all out instead?

If I were a theologian this would be an extremely questionable God.

So ideas that might, at first glance, seem to be in favor of a baby-sitting God who is controlling everything like a puppet show, end up being serious theological problems when examined more closely.

[Excubis]

[Replying to post 1 by jgh7]

I will only bring up that mutations in the genetic code are random. All observed mutation on single celled organisms shows no evidence of guidance. The epidemiology(pattern) is entirely random, when environmental factors are change we see same mutation occur over and over even though not a solution to change in the environment. Many see evolution as a a trial and error type situation guided by an intelligence it is not, the same mutation will occur(even though not a solution) multiple times in a row, if guided by an intelligence this would not be so.

There is the term directed mutations and today's main proponent is Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, yet this has been shown repeatedly there is no direction only an increase of mutation dependent on environmental factors. Mae-Wan has now been reported as basically giving up on convincing Darwinist of this. Now I will add new influenza(flu) vaccines are not created by directed mutations as in they actually are making an educated guess of which observed mutation of the virus will occur. This why you can still get a flu even if you've had that years vaccination, it's probably a different strain that you did not receive a vaccination for.

[help3434]

I agree with your first statement. God has revealed his existence through his creation. Some people reject this knowledge because they don't want to be accountable to God.

What does being held accountable have to do with believing that everything is created by God? There are a lot of deists who believe that some sort of deity created the universe, but don't believe that said deity holds people accountable, and don't believe in any sort of after life

The theory of evolution came about as an alternate explanation for our existence.

No, it came about because that is what the evidence pointed to. Creationism on the other hand has never been a scientific theory.

Anyone who doesn't believe in God is forced to believe in it and if he is involved in scientific research he will interpret the data he finds in such a way as to support that belief.

So you know better than people involved in scientific research how scientific research works? Are there any other fields that pervert science this way, or is this only in areas that contradict your interpretation of the Bible? If evolution is just a false belief how do you explain the existence of ring species?

[help3434]

We live in a culture in which evolution is accepted as being something that has been proved to be true and few people examine the evidence to see if it has in fact been proven. I believe the world was created is six literal days just as the Bible says and there is scientific evidence to show that this is true. Here are two entries in my blog in which I give more details to support this:

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -creation/

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2013/ ... selection/

I skimmed over your blog entries and it didn't contain any scientific research at all. That suggests that you don't understand what scientific evidence is.

[OnceConvinced]

I agree with your first statement. God has revealed his existence through his creation. Some people reject this knowledge because they don't want to be accountable to God.

So many problems with this statement

1) SOME people believe that God has revealed his existence to us through "creation" For others though, it's evolution that is revealed through "creation". There is just way too much horrors in nature to believe that a God created it unless that God was truly malevolent. Evolution however explains horrors.

2) Some people reject this knowledge? It's not knowledge. It's just a perspective, nothing more. It has not proven by any means to be "knowledge" that God created this planet. To me it seems more like wishful thinking - people giving into ignorance because they can't fathom this universe without a creator.

3) Some may not want to be accountable to God. Those people would be believers in God, not non-believers. Some of us don't believe in God. Some of us, like myself would even be prepared to be accountable to God if it could be proven he exists and he required that accountability. Really I can't see what accountability would have to do with believing in creation. One can still believe in creation without feeling a need to be accountable to the creator.

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But as for my reply to the opening post, I would say that I no longer have any creationist style beliefs any more because to me the evidence for evolution far outweigh the evidence for Creation. Any creator would require a creator themselves, as well as the resources to do the creating. But where would the resources come from?

I look for natural explanations for all things now, having ruled out the likelihood of there being anything supernatural in this world. The same applies to anything do with how this universe got here. Until the supernatural can be proven to be real, I will continue to look for natural answers.

[tam]

1)I believe something had to create the universe or the big bang.

I do not believe that someone HAD to create the universe or the big bang... although the thought of something coming from nothing (whether you capitalize the N or not), does sound absurd.

But that is not why I believe in God, nor why I believe that He DID create the universe. The big bang would be the effect of Him doing this, which then created this universe and life in this universe.

2)I also believe that something is guiding evolution. I completely believe in evolution, but I believe something has to be guiding it. Everything is simply too complex, intricate, and specialized to be completely random.

Evolution allowing living creatures to adapt and survive to a changing environment does not seem complex to me; although the process and changes may seem intricate to us (but does not seem too complicated perhaps to a scientist; and God knows ALL the sciences, so it would not be complicated to Him). And that seems more in line with wisdom to me. Why needlessly complicate something when something simple does the trick?

Like a failsafe even. Adam and Eve messed up, and gave Death entrance into the world. But God made sure that creatures had the ability to adapt so that their KIND would not ever be entirely wiped out.

Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[puddleglum]

[Replying to post 3 by Divine Insight]

Every genetic disease would be the purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

Every pregnancy would be the purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

Every failure to become pregnant would be a purposeful act of the "Hand of God".

In short. If there exists an intervening creator that "guides" evolution, then that creator is directly responsible for every biological situation that exists.

God did not "guide" evolution. He created life directly. Here is the explanation for why so much evil exists in creation:

https://answersingenesis.org/suffering/ ... suffering/

And speaking of the Biblical God, why would this God have continued to place new baby souls in the wombs of sinners knowing ahead of time that he was going to drown them?

The souls continue to exist after the bodies containing them die.

So ideas that might, at first glance, seem to be in favor of a baby-sitting God who is controlling everything like a puppet show, end up being serious theological problems when examined more closely.

We are not puppets. We have the power to make choices and those choices have consequences. Evil exists because all of us have made bad choices.

[Hamsaka]

[Replying to post 2 by puddleglum]

I agree with your first statement. God has revealed his existence through his creation. Some people reject this knowledge because they don't want to be accountable to God.

What if the modern young earth Creationist position is insulting to God? Taking a 3000 year old creation myth in Genesis as the way God did it could be the height of human hubris.

Studying, examining and experimenting seems to be something any human without mental defects can do, and always have done. The 'scientific process' is older than God (that is, modernist literalism's God). Infants use the scientific process without being told a thing about how. Study, examine, cut it up, poke it with a stick, scream, get a friend to poke it, scream together, realize its not chasing you, back to examination . . .

YECs could be insulting God, cramming God into a pathetic human 'box', limiting God to ancient fables and tales, and especially attempting to make God's word 'scientifically sound'. Doesn't anyone wonder if God is face palming, here?

I'm not a believer in any gods, but for the sake of those who do, and who have not fallen in love with their own reflection and call that God, and just in case there IS a god that we could possibly know . . . I would be ashamed to stand in line expecting kudos for young earth Creationism.