Evolutionists say there is no room for creationism in the public schools and Christians are seen as forcing their religion into schools under the guise of Intelligent design.
Do Rabbi's have an opinion?
And would society hear their opinion?
Go here and listen:
http://www.aish.com/societyWork/salomon ... lution.asp
Is creationism supported only by Christians?
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Post #2
Interesting topic... though I must say it's tough to put a lot of stock into someone who thinks Benjamin Franklin wrote the Declaration of Independence. Further he misrepresent Evolutionary theory. People aren't worried about debating the issue in the classroom, but rather teaching it in the science classroom. It belongs in a debate forum/classroom.
It's a tough issue- Creationists have every right for an open debate, which they are getting; but the fact is, to teach Creationism or ID in a science classroom is unconstitutional. Now, having it as part of a debate class, sure, that would work.
It's a tough issue- Creationists have every right for an open debate, which they are getting; but the fact is, to teach Creationism or ID in a science classroom is unconstitutional. Now, having it as part of a debate class, sure, that would work.
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Post #3
Doesn't matter...
Creationism as science is the issue with which evolutionists take objection.
It is irrelevant who is the author of the creationism.
If creationism were to be taught in schools it would have to be in a
comparative religions style class. Which would mean, of course, that
it would be presented with other creation stories from other religions.
Creationism as science is the issue with which evolutionists take objection.
It is irrelevant who is the author of the creationism.
If creationism were to be taught in schools it would have to be in a
comparative religions style class. Which would mean, of course, that
it would be presented with other creation stories from other religions.
Post #4
Franklin not influential in the writing of the Declaration?
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Writing the Declaration of Independence, 1776
The summer of 1776 was a harrowing time for the British colonies in America. Open warfare with the mother country had erupted a year earlier and the future was filled with political and military uncertainties.
In this tense climate, the Continental Congress met in Philadelphia with the intention of voting for independence from England. In anticipation of this vote, the Congress selected a committee to draft a declaration of independence. The committee, composed of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Robert R. Livingston, and Roger Sherman, in turn instructed Thomas Jefferson to write the declaration.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_evolution
All Conservative Jews and the vast majority of Orthodox Jews (meaning all Orthodox Jews not in the Charedi sect and even some who are) have accepted scientific, biological evolution as a valid understanding of the way God created the world, starting with a trend in the Rabbinic traditions that began in the Priestly times, continued through the Mediaeval period into the Enlightenment and the post-Darwin periods.
Of course, it's not just Wikipedia that says this - my grandmother was Jewish, and her family taught my father to look at evolution as the best explanation for life on this planet. And one of my suitemates at college is Jewish - he also thinks of biological evolution as the best explanation, and would like to express his irritation at creationists for impinging and distorting traditions which are not wholly their own.
All Conservative Jews and the vast majority of Orthodox Jews (meaning all Orthodox Jews not in the Charedi sect and even some who are) have accepted scientific, biological evolution as a valid understanding of the way God created the world, starting with a trend in the Rabbinic traditions that began in the Priestly times, continued through the Mediaeval period into the Enlightenment and the post-Darwin periods.
Of course, it's not just Wikipedia that says this - my grandmother was Jewish, and her family taught my father to look at evolution as the best explanation for life on this planet. And one of my suitemates at college is Jewish - he also thinks of biological evolution as the best explanation, and would like to express his irritation at creationists for impinging and distorting traditions which are not wholly their own.
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Post #7
"Creationism," even if it's not the flavor of Genesis literalism most of the people who debate the issue concentrate on, covers any form of literalism for any relgion's creation myth (hence the, what I feel are poor arguments about how many creation"ism"s should be taught in schools).
The argument falls flat when we get back to the core issue - what is to be taught in the science class. Science, not metaphysics, philosophy or religion should be taught in science class. That eliminates "Creationism" from consideration. The teaching of "creation" is welcome in literature, history and social studies classes.
The argument falls flat when we get back to the core issue - what is to be taught in the science class. Science, not metaphysics, philosophy or religion should be taught in science class. That eliminates "Creationism" from consideration. The teaching of "creation" is welcome in literature, history and social studies classes.
Post #8
I'm glad someone noted the popular Jewish response. How is it that Jews, for the most part, understand that the truth of the Bible is not tied up in historical facts, but in facts/truthes about the human relationship to G-d?
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Btw:
I'll admit it, you almost got me riled up with this nonsense. Erg- stop twisting what I said. The Rabbi on the video was wrong both on the Dec. of Ind. part and hist representation of Evo-ID debate. Arg. Get over it and stop putting words into my mouth.... now I'm all riled up. "I promised myself I wouldn't do this" (tear)Franklin not influential in the writing of the Declaration?
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Writing the Declaration of Independence, 1776
The summer of 1776 was a harrowing time for the British colonies in America. Open warfare with the mother country had erupted a year earlier and the future was filled with political and military uncertainties.
In this tense climate, the Continental Congress met in Philadelphia with the intention of voting for independence from England. In anticipation of this vote, the Congress selected a committee to draft a declaration of independence. The committee, composed of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Robert R. Livingston, and Roger Sherman, in turn instructed Thomas Jefferson to write the declaration.
Men at ease have contempt for misfortune
as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
Post #9
That guy reminds me of John Belushi in Animal House
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Habor?....No!"
Again...the issue is not that ID/creationism does not belong in the classroom...
Where is does not belong is in the science classroom...because it isn't
science.
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Habor?....No!"
Again...the issue is not that ID/creationism does not belong in the classroom...
Where is does not belong is in the science classroom...because it isn't
science.
Post #10
And this would be like:That guy reminds me of John Belushi in Animal House
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Habor?....No!"
"Atheists don't use evolution to attack and destroy Christianty and promote a progressive liberal ideology."
No.
Of course not.
There's just no evidence to back uo that assertion.
