Sin, faith, and morality

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Sin, faith, and morality

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Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
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Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality?
It depends on what/who one has faith on/in
The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that.
Yeah it says a lot of things....like a snake can talk, a bush burns but isn't consumed and voices come out of it, a guy walked on water.....
Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals?
Many times, people can't (or won't) think got themselves. They use someone else (aka god) for that. So whatever god tells them, via the bible, the guy behind the pulpit, the crazy man down the street, the voices in their head, whatever - that's what they use for morality.

So if one wants to have faith in an invisible man in the sky to direct their morals, then faith would play a part in their decisions - such as they are.

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connermt wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Princess Luna On The Moon]
Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality?
It depends

on what/who one has faith on/in
The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that.
Yeah it says a lot of things....like a snake can talk, a bush burns but isn't consumed and voices come out of it, a guy walked on water.....
Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals?
Many times, people can't (or won't) think got themselves. They use someone else (aka god) for that. So whatever god tells them, via the bible, the guy behind the pulpit, the crazy man down the street, the voices in their head, whatever - that's what they use for morality.

So if one wants to have faith in an invisible man in the sky to direct their morals, then faith would play a part in their decisions - such as they are.

If one has morals, they have faith they may not be aware of.
it is natural to be moral,
God cleans us from the sins that cause immorality.
We are, naturally. not sometimes, but all the time don't have evil thoughts.
I don't know if I have faith,,,,,,, I know I have a clean mind that naturally comes from faith.
I don't think about it, I leave it to God to decide. I guess that's faith. HMMM!

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Princess Luna On The Moon wrote: Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
I think faith can influence one's morality, but one doesn't need to have faith to have moral values. Or vice versa. Likewise, one can have faith and not be moral.

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If one is immoral and you say has faith, what do you think their faith is in?????

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If one has morals, they have faith they may not be aware of.
Not sure what you mean here... :confused2:
it is natural to be moral,
Can you show how morality exists in nature and whose morality to which we're supposed to adhere?
God cleans us from the sins that cause immorality.
By christian belief, that only happens at the request of the individual. What happens when one doesn't believe in god? No cleansing?
If god cleanses individuals of sin that cause immorality, who do you account for the immoral actions of christians/believers?
How do you account for the moral actions of non-believers that are still 'in sin'?
I don't know if I have faith,,,,,,, I know I have a clean mind that naturally comes from faith.
Interesting.....does one need to have faith that they have faith? :-k
I don't think about it, I leave it to God to decide.
What is the 'it' you're not thinking about?

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If one is immoral and you say has faith, what do you think their faith is in?????
I'm not sure I totally understand your question - can you elaborate?

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Princess Luna On The Moon wrote: Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
I don't see how believing in a God on pure faith could have anything at all to do with morality.

Moreover, if it did, then all humans would be immoral since there are always gods that most humans do not believe in as a matter of faith. For example Christians don't have faith that Zeus is a valid God. Therefore if failure to have faith in a God is immoral, then anyone who doesn't have faith that Zeus is God is immoral.
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You'd have to define faith and define morality because without doing that, your statement makes no sense. Different people have different faith in different gods, or no gods at all, and that has no bearing on how they act. The Catholics sure think they're moral, but their priests are molesting little boys regularly. Muslims think they are moral but the extremists are performing honor killings and terrorist attacks. Christians think they're moral but there are Christians out shooting doctors and blowing up abortion clinics. Are you just assuming that your views on morality are the only correct views on morality? How do you know? Are you just assuming that your faith is the only correct faith? How do you know?
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first ot all i dont judge how much faith I have, I. Only see it if something scares me., then it proves I lack faith, but, I dont concern my lack, I still know god is there.
but my experiences tell me otherwise, I have overcome my old nature , I know my salvation is, not determined by my imaginaton as so many false christians imagine..
AS far as morality, that I am. It pays to be moral than live lika a pig that has no morals.
Made mistakes in my youth and paid the price for it.

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