Sin, faith, and morality
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Sin, faith, and morality
Post #1Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
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Post #2[Replying to post 1 by Princess Luna On The Moon]
So if one wants to have faith in an invisible man in the sky to direct their morals, then faith would play a part in their decisions - such as they are.
It depends on what/who one has faith on/inDo you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality?
Yeah it says a lot of things....like a snake can talk, a bush burns but isn't consumed and voices come out of it, a guy walked on water.....The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that.
Many times, people can't (or won't) think got themselves. They use someone else (aka god) for that. So whatever god tells them, via the bible, the guy behind the pulpit, the crazy man down the street, the voices in their head, whatever - that's what they use for morality.Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals?
So if one wants to have faith in an invisible man in the sky to direct their morals, then faith would play a part in their decisions - such as they are.
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Post #3connermt wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Princess Luna On The Moon]
It dependsDo you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality?
on what/who one has faith on/inYeah it says a lot of things....like a snake can talk, a bush burns but isn't consumed and voices come out of it, a guy walked on water.....The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that.Many times, people can't (or won't) think got themselves. They use someone else (aka god) for that. So whatever god tells them, via the bible, the guy behind the pulpit, the crazy man down the street, the voices in their head, whatever - that's what they use for morality.Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals?
So if one wants to have faith in an invisible man in the sky to direct their morals, then faith would play a part in their decisions - such as they are.
If one has morals, they have faith they may not be aware of.
it is natural to be moral,
God cleans us from the sins that cause immorality.
We are, naturally. not sometimes, but all the time don't have evil thoughts.
I don't know if I have faith,,,,,,, I know I have a clean mind that naturally comes from faith.
I don't think about it, I leave it to God to decide. I guess that's faith. HMMM!
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Post #4I think faith can influence one's morality, but one doesn't need to have faith to have moral values. Or vice versa. Likewise, one can have faith and not be moral.Princess Luna On The Moon wrote: Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
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Post #5[Replying to post 4 by connermt]quote
If one is immoral and you say has faith, what do you think their faith is in?????
If one is immoral and you say has faith, what do you think their faith is in?????
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Post #6[Replying to post 3 by justforme]
If god cleanses individuals of sin that cause immorality, who do you account for the immoral actions of christians/believers?
How do you account for the moral actions of non-believers that are still 'in sin'?
Not sure what you mean here...If one has morals, they have faith they may not be aware of.
Can you show how morality exists in nature and whose morality to which we're supposed to adhere?it is natural to be moral,
By christian belief, that only happens at the request of the individual. What happens when one doesn't believe in god? No cleansing?God cleans us from the sins that cause immorality.
If god cleanses individuals of sin that cause immorality, who do you account for the immoral actions of christians/believers?
How do you account for the moral actions of non-believers that are still 'in sin'?
Interesting.....does one need to have faith that they have faith?I don't know if I have faith,,,,,,, I know I have a clean mind that naturally comes from faith.
What is the 'it' you're not thinking about?I don't think about it, I leave it to God to decide.
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Post #7[Replying to post 5 by justforme]
I'm not sure I totally understand your question - can you elaborate?If one is immoral and you say has faith, what do you think their faith is in?????
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Re: Sin, faith, and morality
Post #8I don't see how believing in a God on pure faith could have anything at all to do with morality.Princess Luna On The Moon wrote: Do you think faith is relevant when it comes to morality? The bible says that one must have faith in order to be saved, or something like that. Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Is faith, knowing what it means, at all purposeful when it comes to morals? If so, why?
Moreover, if it did, then all humans would be immoral since there are always gods that most humans do not believe in as a matter of faith. For example Christians don't have faith that Zeus is a valid God. Therefore if failure to have faith in a God is immoral, then anyone who doesn't have faith that Zeus is God is immoral.
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Post #9[Replying to post 5 by justforme]
You'd have to define faith and define morality because without doing that, your statement makes no sense. Different people have different faith in different gods, or no gods at all, and that has no bearing on how they act. The Catholics sure think they're moral, but their priests are molesting little boys regularly. Muslims think they are moral but the extremists are performing honor killings and terrorist attacks. Christians think they're moral but there are Christians out shooting doctors and blowing up abortion clinics. Are you just assuming that your views on morality are the only correct views on morality? How do you know? Are you just assuming that your faith is the only correct faith? How do you know?
You'd have to define faith and define morality because without doing that, your statement makes no sense. Different people have different faith in different gods, or no gods at all, and that has no bearing on how they act. The Catholics sure think they're moral, but their priests are molesting little boys regularly. Muslims think they are moral but the extremists are performing honor killings and terrorist attacks. Christians think they're moral but there are Christians out shooting doctors and blowing up abortion clinics. Are you just assuming that your views on morality are the only correct views on morality? How do you know? Are you just assuming that your faith is the only correct faith? How do you know?
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Post #10[Replying to post 9 by Cephus]
first ot all i dont judge how much faith I have, I. Only see it if something scares me., then it proves I lack faith, but, I dont concern my lack, I still know god is there.
but my experiences tell me otherwise, I have overcome my old nature , I know my salvation is, not determined by my imaginaton as so many false christians imagine..
AS far as morality, that I am. It pays to be moral than live lika a pig that has no morals.
Made mistakes in my youth and paid the price for it.
first ot all i dont judge how much faith I have, I. Only see it if something scares me., then it proves I lack faith, but, I dont concern my lack, I still know god is there.
but my experiences tell me otherwise, I have overcome my old nature , I know my salvation is, not determined by my imaginaton as so many false christians imagine..
AS far as morality, that I am. It pays to be moral than live lika a pig that has no morals.
Made mistakes in my youth and paid the price for it.