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Is this Offensive to Muslims?

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I often see Muslims saying something in (I think Arabic) to each other and I was wondering what it was. Im pretty sure it has something to do with their religion.

Also, is it offensive if a non-muslim uses these same phrases and sayings when talking to a muslim?
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"Asalam alikum."

"Wa alikum asalam."


Peace be upon you.

And upon you be peace.


Depending on who you talk to, some think its offensive for non-Muslims to use that greeting -- others think it is okay. I believe the Qur'an requires that Muslims greet each other in this fashion -- and if someone wishes peace upon you, you are obliged to say "wa alikum asalam" back to them.

I understand the idea of religious traditions being special only for the religious. In many churches across America, communion is forbidden for non-believers.

In an English speaking country, I would probably avoid giving the greeting to someone who appeared Muslim, just as I would avoid saying "Hola" to an Hispanic -- it just seems distasteful...

Now if a Muslim says that to you, I think it would be okay to say "wa alikum asalam" back to them.

But I don't know this for sure, as I am not Muslim -- maybe someone else will be able to give you a better answer.

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Darias wrote:"Asalam alikum."

"Wa alikum asalam."


Peace be upon you.

And upon you be peace.


Depending on who you talk to, some think its offensive for non-Muslims to use that greeting -- others think it is okay. I believe the Qur'an requires that Muslims greet each other in this fashion -- and if someone wishes peace upon you, you are obliged to say "wa alikum asalam" back to them.

I understand the idea of religious traditions being special only for the religious. In many churches across America, communion is forbidden for non-believers.

In an English speaking country, I would probably avoid giving the greeting to someone who appeared Muslim, just as I would avoid saying "Hola" to an Hispanic -- it just seems distasteful...

Now if a Muslim says that to you, I think it would be okay to say "wa alikum asalam" back to them.

But I don't know this for sure, as I am not Muslim -- maybe someone else will be able to give you a better answer.
I have travelled in Muslim countries and met with Muslims in non-Muslim countries and have regularly used these greetings and not once, to the best of my knowledge, has it been regarded as offensive in any way.
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The tradition is derived from the Quran, Chapter 4 Verse 86:
When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, Allâh is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things.
In the 4 Canonical Gospels, Jesus used to greet his disciples with the Hebrew word "Shalom", meaning 'peace'.
Since Arabic & Hebrew are sister languages, the greeting in Arabic is roughly synonymous: "Selam". The word "Selam" is usually followed by "Aleykum" meaning 'upon you'. So basically "Selam Aleykum" means 'Peace be upon you'.

If you greet a muslim (whether its a positive greeting or a negative insult), it is obligatory for the muslim to reply with "Wa Aleykum" (And upon you).

This tradition is derived from a hadith narrated by Anas bin Malik (A disciple) whom reported that certain Jews used to say "As-Samu Alaika" (Meaning: 'Death be upon you) to the Prophet, because they believed him to be a false prophet just like they believed Jesus was a false prophet.
The prophet used to reply with "Wa Aleykum" (& upon you).

Thus no matter how you choose to greet a muslim, they must reply with: "And upon you" (Wa Aleykum).

Hope that answers your question.
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Thank you, that is very interesting and does answer part of my question Murad. As it is a tradition for you to say, wouldn't a non believer saying it be interfering with you traditions?
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mormon boy51 wrote:Thank you, that is very interesting and does answer part of my question Murad. As it is a tradition for you to say, wouldn't a non believer saying it be interfering with you traditions?
There are ofcourse scholarly divisions here, generally muslims are encouraged not to greet non-muslims with "Selam" because that is one of Gods names. But if the non-muslim greets a muslim with "Selam", its not offensive at all, & the muslim will reply with "& upon you" (Wa Aleykum)
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Murad wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:Thank you, that is very interesting and does answer part of my question Murad. As it is a tradition for you to say, wouldn't a non believer saying it be interfering with you traditions?
There are ofcourse scholarly divisions here, generally muslims are encouraged not to greet non-muslims with "Selam" because that is one of Gods names. But if the non-muslim greets a muslim with "Selam", its not offensive at all, & the muslim will reply with "& upon you" (Wa Aleykum)
Ok thank you for clarifying this.
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Darias wrote:In an English speaking country, I would probably avoid giving the greeting to someone who appeared Muslim, just as I would avoid saying "Hola" to an Hispanic -- it just seems distasteful...
Why? :-k I don't find it distasteful at all - although admittedly I do find the American accent funny when they speak Spanish O:)

Sometimes it's a bit difficult to figure out appropriate greetings, even between different countries, let alone countries with different religions. I met a Muslim ambassador once, and I wasn't sure how it'd be appropriate to greet... I played it safe and bowed (since courtesies are due to an ambassador, anyway) and she came over and kissed me on the cheek, which is the standard greeting in Argentina :o
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Lux wrote:
Darias wrote:In an English speaking country, I would probably avoid giving the greeting to someone who appeared Muslim, just as I would avoid saying "Hola" to an Hispanic -- it just seems distasteful...
Why? :-k I don't find it distasteful at all - although admittedly I do find the American accent funny when they speak Spanish O:)

Sometimes it's a bit difficult to figure out appropriate greetings, even between different countries, let alone countries with different religions. I met a Muslim ambassador once, and I wasn't sure how it'd be appropriate to greet... I played it safe and bowed (since courtesies are due to an ambassador, anyway) and she came over and kissed me on the cheek, which is the standard greeting in Argentina
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Well it might be seen as offensive if you don't speak Spanish well, and if you are white and the other person is not -- obviously they might think you're making fun of them.

In my neck of the woods, there aren't that many white folk that speak Spanish well -- and there are many Hispanics who do.

If I was visiting a Spanish speaking country I wouldn't be afraid to speak Spanish...

but it's sort of like, if you see a blond haired person with blue eyes -- you wouldn't go up to them and say "Guten Tag."

lol idk, maybe I'm too politically correct. O:)

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