While discussing the definition of God with cnorman18. I came to the premise,that,intelligence is required if intelligence is to be produced.
Therefore,the topic of discussion will be...
1.) Do you agree with this premise?
2.) What is it that qualifies an intelligence as perfect(complete) or is such an intelligence a paradox?
3.)What might one expect to observe of such an intelligence?
Perfect Intelligence
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Post #11
Correct but self awareness is not the result of "imperfect intelligence". Our "perfecting intelligence" is a result of our self awareness. We still need to define how an umbrella term like intelligence can be classified as "perfect".
I'm not sure that i completely understand what you mean.
You presuppose self awareness without causality,offering no instigator.
Last edited by Matthew on Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Post #12
I'm disagreeing with your arrangement of terms in the statement:
Intelligence includes several other concepts like the ability to learn, reason, and understand. It is hard to nail down what is the objectively perfect level of the sum of all these terms without addressing each individually...
That make more sense?
I would propose that this is more likely the case:It sometimes seems as though self awareness is a direct result of intellectual imperfection.
Further, we need to step back and look at how an umbrella term like "intelligence" can have a level such that can be called perfect.Our "perfecting intelligence" is a result of our self awareness.
Intelligence includes several other concepts like the ability to learn, reason, and understand. It is hard to nail down what is the objectively perfect level of the sum of all these terms without addressing each individually...
That make more sense?
Post #14
Can you expound on this? You keep dropping one-liners and offer no substance for discussion... and going back and editing all your own posts is not helping the discussion either.Matthew wrote:Self awareness is still the archetype of all classes of intelligence.
You presuppose self awareness without causality,offering no instigator.
Post #15
I suppose,your right. I'm simply attempting to provoke discussion.
I have nothing better to do at the moment. It's possible that this topic
was ill-conceived and poorly arranged.
My apologies.
I intended for the premise to be assumed as true. Despite my inquiry as to your opinions of its validity. As for a "perfect intelligence". I meant for this to be interpreted as a complete awareness or absolute awareness. A -single- archetypal design upon which all forms of intelligence and awareness are based.
I have nothing better to do at the moment. It's possible that this topic
was ill-conceived and poorly arranged.
My apologies.
I intended for the premise to be assumed as true. Despite my inquiry as to your opinions of its validity. As for a "perfect intelligence". I meant for this to be interpreted as a complete awareness or absolute awareness. A -single- archetypal design upon which all forms of intelligence and awareness are based.
Post #16
When i stated:
You responded:
I responded:
And,you confirmed:
However, you proceed with this statement:
In other words, "our perfecting of intelligence" is necessitated by our self awareness of a,still,previously imperfect state.
You effectively cancel out you own arguments.
It sometimes seems as though self awareness is a direct result of intellectual imperfection.
You responded:
I would suggest that our self awareness is what allowed us to become more intelligent than our previous state of being as a species. The more aware we are of our self and our surroundings, the more we have the capacity to learn and understand and reason which all fall under the umbrella of intelligence.
I responded:
Thus, the "previous state" is found to be imperfect with respect to the present state which has now come to replace it.
And,you confirmed:
"Correct" but self awareness is not the result of "imperfect intelligence".
However, you proceed with this statement:
Our "perfecting intelligence" is a result of our self awareness.
In other words, "our perfecting of intelligence" is necessitated by our self awareness of a,still,previously imperfect state.
You effectively cancel out you own arguments.
Post #17
No, I did not.
You stated " self awareness is a direct result of intellectual imperfection."
I stated "Our "perfecting intelligence" is a result of our self awareness. "
It is a chicken or the egg argument. Which came first? intelligence or self awareness?
But this is a definition sub-forum and not a debate sub-forum. probably want to get this moved to a debate sub-forum if you want others to key in on this.
You stated " self awareness is a direct result of intellectual imperfection."
I stated "Our "perfecting intelligence" is a result of our self awareness. "
It is a chicken or the egg argument. Which came first? intelligence or self awareness?
But this is a definition sub-forum and not a debate sub-forum. probably want to get this moved to a debate sub-forum if you want others to key in on this.