Serious comments about the Chaosborders vs. Goose H2H debate

[Zzyzx]

.
Those who do not regard themselves as "peanut gallery" are encouraged to post comments in this thread.

[Zzyzx]

.
I sent the following PM to Chaosborders with a request that he answer in this thread.



Chaosborders,

With reference to your proposed Head to Head debate with Goose, I ask what is your true position regarding the proposition or story that Jesus “came back to life after three days� and other aspects of the “resurrection� story. Did the event actually and literally happen in the real world? Did it happen as described in biblical accounts?

I am not asking your debate position, but your actual, personal position / belief / conviction. I am not asking that you detail your strategy in debate – only that you declare where you stand on the issue.

I think this information is important to readers who might follow the debate. Are we watching a Theist who believes the resurrection claim / story debate another Theist who believes the resurrection claim / story (perhaps with a different slant)?

Mr. Goose passed over other people to choose you to debate.

[ChaosBorders]

.

With reference to your proposed Head to Head debate with Goose, I ask what is your true position regarding the proposition or story that Jesus “came back to life after three days� and other aspects of the “resurrection� story. Did the event actually and literally happen in the real world? Did it happen as described in biblical accounts?

I do not believe that the resurrection has sufficient evidence to be considered a historical fact. I also think the odds of the resurrection having literally occurred in this world are next to zero. I think if one is to believe it at all, it should be a matter of faith and not an issue of being credulous regarding unreliable evidence.

[JoeyKnothead]

I wanted to wait for Chaosborders to respond before I did, so as not to 'poison the well'.

I think Chaosborders is a very capable debater, and would approach "his side" with the care and intelligence he's shown in so many other posts.

That said, I think it is legitimate to at least wonder if a theist would think to ask the questions or approach the topic in the same manner as a non-theist.

We shall see, and I look forward to this H2H debate.

[Lux]

I wanted to wait for Chaosborders to respond before I did, so as not to 'poison the well'.

I think Chaosborders is a very capable debater, and would approach "his side" with the care and intelligence he's shown in so many other posts.

That said, I think it is legitimate to at least wonder if a theist would think to ask the questions or approach the topic in the same manner as a non-theist.

We shall see, and I look forward to this H2H debate.

[Lux]

I wanted to wait for Chaosborders to respond before I did, so as not to 'poison the well'.

I think Chaosborders is a very capable debater, and would approach "his side" with the care and intelligence he's shown in so many other posts.

That said, I think it is legitimate to at least wonder if a theist would think to ask the questions or approach the topic in the same manner as a non-theist.

We shall see, and I look forward to this H2H debate.

I was thinking the same thing. However, it might be more interesting to see his take on it rather than another "christian vs. atheist" in the matter of resurrection. We'll see what happens.

Chaosborders, if you don't mind me asking, do you believe that the resurrection actually and literally happened? Regardless of whether it can be proven or not.
I know you'll be defending the statement that there is not enough evidence to consider it a historical event, and I believe you'll do a very good job sice you are a very capable debater, but what is your personal belief here?

I'll definitely be following this debate. It should be very interesting

[ChaosBorders]

I wanted to wait for Chaosborders to respond before I did, so as not to 'poison the well'.

I think Chaosborders is a very capable debater, and would approach "his side" with the care and intelligence he's shown in so many other posts.

That said, I think it is legitimate to at least wonder if a theist would think to ask the questions or approach the topic in the same manner as a non-theist.

We shall see, and I look forward to this H2H debate.

I was thinking the same thing. However, it might be more interesting to see his take on it rather than another "christian vs. atheist" in the matter of resurrection. We'll see what happens.

Chaosborders, if you don't mind me asking, do you believe that the resurrection actually and literally happened? Regardless of whether it can be proven or not.
I know you'll be defending the statement that there is not enough evidence to consider it a historical event, and I believe you'll do a very good job sice you are a very capable debater, but what is your personal belief here?

I'll definitely be following this debate. It should be very interesting

My personal belief is that an all-powerful God would most likely create an infinite multi-verse. As such, any given event would likely have happened in some reality or other.

Thus, I could say "I believe in the literal resurrection of Christ, but given the lack of evidence it most-probably did not happen in our reality". (I find it convenient to drop the qualification when hanging out with my Christian friends, but it's always there in my mind). Even if it did happen in our world, I do not think there is enough evidence for it to qualify as historically factual using historical methodology.

[Angel]

Good luck to both debaters. I've heard debates on the issue before, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again just in case there's some new insight or line of thinking.

[ChaosBorders]

Good luck to both debaters. I've heard debates on the issue before, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again just in case there's some new insight or line of thinking.

How'd those turn out?

[JoeyKnothead]

Good luck to both debaters. I've heard debates on the issue before, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to bring it up again just in case there's some new insight or line of thinking.

How'd those turn out?

Goose won.

LOL