Does God exist?

[McCulloch]

By what arguments can a believer in the one true god demonstrate to an unbeliever that God does exist?

What do you mean when you use the word God?

[TrueReligion]

By what arguments can a believer in the one true god demonstrate to an unbeliever that God does exist?

What do you mean when you use the word God?

The definition of God, best I can give you is from Quran.

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him" (Quran -112)

Now, for the main post, we can discuss 1st on some issue mention below.

I give argument that God manifest everywhere through His unique capacity to:

Initiate: to create matter from nothingness

Determine: to determine such unlimited diversity of matter, species, and systems

Design: to let each of His creations have its own features and to follow exactly His predestined laws

Harmonize: to operate all systems — physical, chemical, and biological — and balance them in a harmoniously integrated fashion

Sustain: to maintain, all the time, all matter existing and functioning in the same predesigned way

Now, back to your question; how to prove these manifest attributes? In fact, a negative answer to each of the following queries would give the proof!


Initiation: Could one argue with the ability of God alone to initiate every bit of matter? Or could matter create itself from nothing, or come to existence by an infinitesimally probable chance?

Determination: Could chance alone produce such overwhelming diversity of chemical structures, biological species, and humankind? Could the diversity of the chemical elements in the periodic table, composed of the same subatomic particles, be the result of electrons, protons, and neutrons deciding for themselves to arrange these ways? From these elements, could the vast chemical and biochemical ones emerge by chaotic hits of chance?

Design: Could one believe that each and every of the multitude of life systems would decide to function the unique and complex fashions they do, fashions that are much more complex and more precise than huge modern chemical plants? Could the unique genetic "software" implanted in each living cell be self-invented by the components of their DNAs?

Harmony: Could the overall ecological balance between the biota, atmosphere, earth, and sea — which maintains biological diversity and environmental sustainability — be the product of nature's global "self-accord"?
Sustenance: Could physical matter, at any level of complexity, deviate from the laws governing and maintaining its existence, properties, and behavior?

May be you have good answers for this, but will be good for me to know the answers, so we can proceed.

Thanks

[TrueReligion]

By what arguments can a believer in the one true god demonstrate to an unbeliever that God does exist?

What do you mean when you use the word God?

The definition of God, best I can give you is from Quran.

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him" (Quran -112)

Now, for the main post, we can discuss 1st on some issue mention below.

I give argument that God manifest everywhere through His unique capacity to:

Initiate: to create matter from nothingness

Determine: to determine such unlimited diversity of matter, species, and systems

Design: to let each of His creations have its own features and to follow exactly His predestined laws

Harmonize: to operate all systems — physical, chemical, and biological — and balance them in a harmoniously integrated fashion

Sustain: to maintain, all the time, all matter existing and functioning in the same predesigned way

Now, back to your question; how to prove these manifest attributes? In fact, a negative answer to each of the following queries would give the proof!


Initiation: Could one argue with the ability of God alone to initiate every bit of matter? Or could matter create itself from nothing, or come to existence by an infinitesimally probable chance?

Determination: Could chance alone produce such overwhelming diversity of chemical structures, biological species, and humankind? Could the diversity of the chemical elements in the periodic table, composed of the same subatomic particles, be the result of electrons, protons, and neutrons deciding for themselves to arrange these ways? From these elements, could the vast chemical and biochemical ones emerge by chaotic hits of chance?

Design: Could one believe that each and every of the multitude of life systems would decide to function the unique and complex fashions they do, fashions that are much more complex and more precise than huge modern chemical plants? Could the unique genetic "software" implanted in each living cell be self-invented by the components of their DNAs?

Harmony: Could the overall ecological balance between the biota, atmosphere, earth, and sea — which maintains biological diversity and environmental sustainability — be the product of nature's global "self-accord"?
Sustenance: Could physical matter, at any level of complexity, deviate from the laws governing and maintaining its existence, properties, and behavior?

May be you have good answers for this, but will be good for me to know the answers, so we can proceed.

Thanks

[TrueReligion]

By what arguments can a believer in the one true god demonstrate to an unbeliever that God does exist?

What do you mean when you use the word God?

The definition of God, best I can give you is from Quran.

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him" (Quran -112)

Now, for the main post, we can discuss 1st on some issue mention below.

I give argument that God manifest everywhere through His unique capacity to:

Initiate: to create matter from nothingness

Determine: to determine such unlimited diversity of matter, species, and systems

Design: to let each of His creations have its own features and to follow exactly His predestined laws

Harmonize: to operate all systems — physical, chemical, and biological — and balance them in a harmoniously integrated fashion

Sustain: to maintain, all the time, all matter existing and functioning in the same predesigned way

Now, back to your question; how to prove these manifest attributes? In fact, a negative answer to each of the following queries would give the proof!


Initiation: Could one argue with the ability of God alone to initiate every bit of matter? Or could matter create itself from nothing, or come to existence by an infinitesimally probable chance?

Determination: Could chance alone produce such overwhelming diversity of chemical structures, biological species, and humankind? Could the diversity of the chemical elements in the periodic table, composed of the same subatomic particles, be the result of electrons, protons, and neutrons deciding for themselves to arrange these ways? From these elements, could the vast chemical and biochemical ones emerge by chaotic hits of chance?

Design: Could one believe that each and every of the multitude of life systems would decide to function the unique and complex fashions they do, fashions that are much more complex and more precise than huge modern chemical plants? Could the unique genetic "software" implanted in each living cell be self-invented by the components of their DNAs?

Harmony: Could the overall ecological balance between the biota, atmosphere, earth, and sea — which maintains biological diversity and environmental sustainability — be the product of nature's global "self-accord"?
Sustenance: Could physical matter, at any level of complexity, deviate from the laws governing and maintaining its existence, properties, and behavior?

May be you have good answers for this, but will be good for me to know the answers, so we can proceed.

Thanks

[T-mash]

The definition of God, best I can give you is from Quran.

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him" (Quran -112)

So we can safely conclude that 'Allah' is synonymous with the number '1' and your god is this number? 1 is 'the one and only'. 1 is eternal and absolute, 1 begetteth not nor is it begotten. There is no number like unto '1'. I think your definition does not show just what it is you are talking about. It's also synonymous with say, nature.

I give argument that God manifest everywhere through His unique capacity to:

Initiate: to create matter from nothingness

Determine: to determine such unlimited diversity of matter, species, and systems

Design: to let each of His creations have its own features and to follow exactly His predestined laws

Harmonize: to operate all systems — physical, chemical, and biological — and balance them in a harmoniously integrated fashion

Sustain: to maintain, all the time, all matter existing and functioning in the same predesigned way

Your god is 'nature'.

Initiation: Could one argue with the ability of God alone to initiate every bit of matter? Or could matter create itself from nothing, or come to existence by an infinitesimally probable chance?

Quantum fluctuation

Determination: Could chance alone produce such overwhelming diversity of chemical structures, biological species, and humankind? Could the diversity of the chemical elements in the periodic table, composed of the same subatomic particles, be the result of electrons, protons, and neutrons deciding for themselves to arrange these ways? From these elements, could the vast chemical and biochemical ones emerge by chaotic hits of chance?

Evolution is far from chance. And the diversity of chemical structure is actually very poor. We all have very similar cells, similar nucleic acids, similar elements, most animals even have completely similar bone-structures. These vast number of chemicals we can create ourselves as well, and we can see how nature creates them and we can see how stars for example produce chemicals. All chemicals really differ in is amount of things in them. They are not vastly different things.

Design: Could one believe that each and every of the multitude of life systems would decide to function the unique and complex fashions they do, fashions that are much more complex and more precise than huge modern chemical plants? Could the unique genetic "software" implanted in each living cell be self-invented by the components of their DNAs?

I'm not sure if I understand you right, but evolution doesn't 'decide'. We didn't have reptiles that thought: "Man, I wish I could fly!" and then grew wings. Evolution is blind. For the rest, not only can we 'believe' it, but it has been shown to be exactly what happened. We, current complex life forms, have evolved from simpler life forms. This is a fact, not a matter of believe.

Do you know by the way that this vast majority of biological species your 'God' created... 99% of them have died out? If your god created all the animals like you claim, 99% of his creation didn't manage to live on. What kind of terrible design is that?

Harmony: Could the overall ecological balance between the biota, atmosphere, earth, and sea — which maintains biological diversity and environmental sustainability — be the product of nature's global "self-accord"?

It is, as we can easily see ourselves. Nature doesn't adapt to trees so they can live, trees only live where they can adapt. Nature doesn't adapt so animals can stay alive, animals stay alive because they can adapt to nature. One volcanic eruption and the harmony is gone. Until it begins building up again, by nature.

Sustenance: Could physical matter, at any level of complexity, deviate from the laws governing and maintaining its existence, properties, and behavior?

No. When matter deviates from our laws, that just means our laws do not cover the effect we see and needs to be changed in accordance to the new phenomena.

[TrueReligion]

The definition of God, best I can give you is from Quran.

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him" (Quran -112)

So we can safely conclude that 'Allah' is synonymous with the number '1' and your god is this number? 1 is 'the one and only'. 1 is eternal and absolute, 1 begetteth not nor is it begotten. There is no number like unto '1'. I think your definition does not show just what it is you are talking about. It's also synonymous with say, nature.

Its the definition of God, which is refered in monotheistic religions as, the creator and ruler of the universe, regarded as eternal, infinite, all-powerful, and all-knowing; Supreme Being; the Almighty
Hope you know well what is Monotheism

I give argument that God manifest everywhere through His unique capacity to:

Initiate: to create matter from nothingness

Determine: to determine such unlimited diversity of matter, species, and systems

Design: to let each of His creations have its own features and to follow exactly His predestined laws

Harmonize: to operate all systems — physical, chemical, and biological — and balance them in a harmoniously integrated fashion

Sustain: to maintain, all the time, all matter existing and functioning in the same predesigned way

Your god is 'nature'.

What is nature?

Initiation: Could one argue with the ability of God alone to initiate every bit of matter? Or could matter create itself from nothing, or come to existence by an infinitesimally probable chance?

Quantum fluctuation

Give proof, if anthing or matter, created from nothing, or by chance.

Determination: Could chance alone produce such overwhelming diversity of chemical structures, biological species, and humankind? Could the diversity of the chemical elements in the periodic table, composed of the same subatomic particles, be the result of electrons, protons, and neutrons deciding for themselves to arrange these ways? From these elements, could the vast chemical and biochemical ones emerge by chaotic hits of chance?

Evolution is far from chance. And the diversity of chemical structure is actually very poor. We all have very similar cells, similar nucleic acids, similar elements, most animals even have completely similar bone-structures. These vast number of chemicals we can create ourselves as well, and we can see how nature creates them and we can see how stars for example produce chemicals. All chemicals really differ in is amount of things in them. They are not vastly different things.

The question is not that they have kind of similar nature, question is how they come to exist, by chance ? Can you put some chemicals in an experiment, and wait for reaction that cells are produced and a CAT comes out of that?

Design: Could one believe that each and every of the multitude of life systems would decide to function the unique and complex fashions they do, fashions that are much more complex and more precise than huge modern chemical plants? Could the unique genetic "software" implanted in each living cell be self-invented by the components of their DNAs?

I'm not sure if I understand you right, but evolution doesn't 'decide'. We didn't have reptiles that thought: "Man, I wish I could fly!" and then grew wings. Evolution is blind. For the rest, not only can we 'believe' it, but it has been shown to be exactly what happened. We, current complex life forms, have evolved from simpler life forms. This is a fact, not a matter of believe.

Do you know by the way that this vast majority of biological species your 'God' created... 99% of them have died out? If your god created all the animals like you claim, 99% of his creation didn't manage to live on. What kind of terrible design is that?

Now this statement just means that "Why do any1 die?" Why we dont have long life, and no one should die"
All what you said, is just assumption, not anything reliable or seen, which cannot be taken as authentic and evidence.

Harmony: Could the overall ecological balance between the biota, atmosphere, earth, and sea — which maintains biological diversity and environmental sustainability — be the product of nature's global "self-accord"?

It is, as we can easily see ourselves. Nature doesn't adapt to trees so they can live, trees only live where they can adapt. Nature doesn't adapt so animals can stay alive, animals stay alive because they can adapt to nature. One volcanic eruption and the harmony is gone. Until it begins building up again, by nature.

Ok, can you just stand in a barren land, and wait for an apple tree to come out without doing anything?

Sustenance: Could physical matter, at any level of complexity, deviate from the laws governing and maintaining its existence, properties, and behavior?

No. When matter deviates from our laws, that just means our laws do not cover the effect we see and needs to be changed in accordance to the new phenomena.

[T-mash]

Its the definition of God, which is refered in monotheistic religions as, the creator and ruler of the universe, regarded as eternal, infinite, all-powerful, and all-knowing; Supreme Being; the Almighty
Hope you know well what is Monotheism

Yes. Do you know what a 'definition' is?

What is nature?

"Nature, in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural world, physical world, or material world. "Nature" refers to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general. It ranges in scale from the subatomic to the cosmic."

You're welcome.

Give proof, if anthing or matter, created from nothing, or by chance.

I just typed this post from nothing. There you go.

The question is not that they have kind of similar nature, question is how they come to exist, by chance ? Can you put some chemicals in an experiment, and wait for reaction that cells are produced and a CAT comes out of that?

What part of: "Evolution is far from chance." made you think it's all by chance? And your knowledge about evolution is frighteningly bad, I'm not even sure if it has a point to explain it to you. Evolution does not state that a chemical suddenly formed into a cat... In fact that is what your holy book states

Now this statement just means that "Why do any1 die?" Why we dont have long life, and no one should die"
All what you said, is just assumption, not anything reliable or seen, which cannot be taken as authentic and evidence.

LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL

The fact that animals have died out is only an assumption? Or do you not know what a species is? Seriously...

Ok, can you just stand in a barren land, and wait for an apple tree to come out without doing anything?

"Nature doesn't adapt to trees so they can live, trees only live where they can adapt."

I guess my statement went way over your head there.

[TrueReligion]

Give proof, if anthing or matter, created from nothing, or by chance.

I just typed this post from nothing. There you go.

But there was post already before you type on it, there was keyboard, mouse, monitor, cpu, all things present, so you can;t say you brought it from nothing:)

The question is not that they have kind of similar nature, question is how they come to exist, by chance ? Can you put some chemicals in an experiment, and wait for reaction that cells are produced and a CAT comes out of that?

What part of: "Evolution is far from chance." made you think it's all by chance? And your knowledge about evolution is frighteningly bad, I'm not even sure if it has a point to explain it to you. Evolution does not state that a chemical suddenly formed into a cat... In fact that is what your holy book states

Give answer to what is asked:) your continous failure to give answers is showing clearly that you have lack of capability to debate.

Now this statement just means that "Why do any1 die?" Why we dont have long life, and no one should die"
All what you said, is just assumption, not anything reliable or seen, which cannot be taken as authentic and evidence.

LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL

The fact that animals have died out is only an assumption? Or do you not know what a species is? Seriously...

Its what you said, so you are giving wrong and false arguments?????

Ok, can you just stand in a barren land, and wait for an apple tree to come out without doing anything?

"Nature doesn't adapt to trees so they can live, trees only live where they can adapt."

I guess my statement went way over your head there.[/quote]

Thats what im asking, how can an apple tree grow without the aid of some1? can you give any example of any apple tree grown itself?

[T-mash]

Give answer to what is asked:) your continous failure to give answers is showing clearly that you have lack of capability to debate.

Far from it. As the saying goes: A fool can ask more questions than 10 wise men can answer. Your question already shows that you have zero understanding about evolution. If you suggest that a couple of chemicals together suddenly formed a cat, you need to learn something about basic biology first. But since you are pressing me for it, I'll answer it.

how they come to exist, by chance ?
- No, stop asking silly questions and read up on evolution.

Can you put some chemicals in an experiment, and wait for reaction that cells are produced and a CAT comes out of that?
- No, stop asking silly questions and read up on evolution.

Happy?

Its what you said, so you are giving wrong and false arguments?????

Oh...my.... god...
You really don't know the difference between something dying and a species going extinct? Are you kidding me?....

Thats what im asking, how can an apple tree grow without the aid of some1? can you give any example of any apple tree grown itself?

Do you honestly think we planted every tree in the rain forest or something? What the.....? Please tell me you are joking....

[TrueReligion]

Give answer to what is asked:) your continous failure to give answers is showing clearly that you have lack of capability to debate.

Far from it. As the saying goes: A fool can ask more questions than 10 wise men can answer. Your question already shows that you have zero understanding about evolution. If you suggest that a couple of chemicals together suddenly formed a cat, you need to learn something about basic biology first. But since you are pressing me for it, I'll answer it.

Still no answer, time is runing out,


how they come to exist, by chance ?
- No, stop asking silly questions and read up on evolution.

Rather than teling me what to do,can you give answer please,

Can you put some chemicals in an experiment, and wait for reaction that cells are produced and a CAT comes out of that?
- No, stop asking silly questions and read up on evolution.

Happy?

Its not an answer, stil you fail to answer anything, its debate, not chatting site where you just give statements, we are here to discuss a subject, if you can;t discuss well, than better dont reply

Its what you said, so you are giving wrong and false arguments?????

Oh...my.... god...
You really don't know the difference between something dying and a species going extinct? Are you kidding me?....

What you say, extinct, I agree for this, and know well, but what it has to do with a bad design of universe?

Thats what im asking, how can an apple tree grow without the aid of some1? can you give any example of any apple tree grown itself?

Do you honestly think we planted every tree in the rain forest or something? What the.....? Please tell me you are joking....

Just reply, and give answer, can you show or prove any apple tree coming by itself?